Dr Norman Swan

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What's That Rash? · What is ultra-processed food? · 4 Aug 2026 podcast

This is an ultra-processed food that bypasses normal satiety levels and likely to increase the intake of calories and fat.

And my prediction is you won't, as long as you've got representatives of the food industry on our regulator.

It's an extraordinary situation with extraordinary levels of conflict of interest, which are impossible to manage properly.

And I can remember the grocery council a few years ago really weighing in on the traffic light system that Britain's got, not wanting it here.

And you could be sure that if representatives of the food industry through the grocery council were objecting to it and screaming so loudly, there was something good about the traffic light system in the United Kingdom.

And we're supposed to be changing the rules about toddler foods as well.

It is.

Not saying it's an easy solution, but we probably do need to start with our regulator and also the Trade Practices Act about what you're allowed to say about these foods.

So you talk about taxation, Tegan.

Really, most taxation policies internationally are over simple foods that could make a big difference.

Sugar-sweetened beverages being the main one.

Uncomplicated.

You're not going to die.

You can buy soda water or you can have tap water.

I appreciate in some parts of the world, safe water is an issue.

But taxing sweetened beverages is an easy answer to this.

Taxing fat is more nuanced.

And having proper labeling, though, for the ultra-processed spectrum is something that is required.

Yeah, and it's not beyond people who are expert in this area to actually come up with something that's more effective than what we've got, which is misleading.

Perhaps swapping cereals for oats or multigrain.

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