Dr. Ori Stollar

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Training Without Conflict® | Dog Training Podcast · Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion · 3 May 2025 podcast

So in a way, we will take, and I'm using the word risk, even though in most cases, I don't think it's such a big risk, but we will take that risk of affecting dogs in knowing negative ways. And again, the same thing can be said about training methods in some dogs, a specific training method might cause an actual risk, right?

I mean, the dog might end up becoming even more aggressive or more fearful because of what we did. So No question. The same as using medication. So that's why we try to do studies. And like you said, sadly, we don't have enough. We don't have enough mainly because of funding, just so you know.

For example, the study that I did, I did a study on trying to see... No, no, I have to disagree with you here.

Okay, so let me rephrase. Funding from a source that doesn't cause bias to the results. Because that's very important, right? In veterinary medicine, and specifically we're talking about veterinary medicine, not the human, the big pharma are not going to pay anything. My study was partially supported by by the university where I did my residency.

And I also got like, I think $2,000 if I remember correctly from a fear free pets. So you might say yes, there's some bias there. I can tell you that they didn't have any say about how I'm doing the study on or in they didn't see anything before it was published. But, um,

you know my study was considered a good study in the way that it was done right because it was a double blind placebo control study so people that don't know they're like even different levels of studies the best one is considered a meta-analysis of double-blinded can see um placebo control so like they actually had a bunch of studies that were

both the person the owner or technically the patient when we're not talking about dogs but the patient and or the owners don't know what drug the dog is getting and also the researcher is not is not aware of what drug the dog is getting. And then we have something that we're actually measuring. And only after we finish measuring everything, only then we unblind everything.

Now everyone are getting, you know, let's say in my case, they got a capsule, either one with the medication or with cornstarch or something like that. And in that, and by the way, my study, It didn't really show a big difference between dogs that received gabapentin before the appointment that we kind of like did a sham veterinary visit.

between that and the placebo, there was a little bit of difference in statistically significant, but between them, as far as like, for example, lip licking, which is considered a stress sign, if in favor of the gallop painting dog, so it did seem like health a little, but nothing crazy. I mean, nothing like, oh, my God, and might also be because of how I designed that study. But

Definitely. I mean, it's not a problem, but in a way, I feel good that I published a study that technically didn't support what many other veterinarians think, because a lot of veterinarians say, okay, we have an anxious dog. Let's give him gabapentin. Now, in my study, it didn't seem like it worked that well. There's another study done by someone else that I think was also double-blinded.

They used it for a thunderstorm, and in their case, it did seem like it did something. And, you know, I have veterinarians, including behaviorists, that swear that gabapentin works. I can only say that in my study, it didn't seem like it worked

yeah as much again going on with my study that explained it but you know but that's considered a good study because it actually had that double blind control yeah yeah so there are other studies not a lot that only checked kind of like you know we gave the medication maybe not even blinded and then ask the owners what they think like was there a change or did you see anything

Yeah, we sometimes that's all we have. So, yes, we do have science based medicine. No, not all of it is the highest level. But we definitely go with kind of like do no harm as far as using medications or trying to minimize the risk as much as possible.

No, so first, not necessarily, it will reduce arousal. And depends again, depends on the case, the pain depends on the patient. It's not something correct.

No, I agree with you completely because, again, as far as the treatment goes, as I mentioned, medication is just one part. And, you know, I think it is important to understand why we use the medication. It's not to fix the behavior. We try to get the threshold higher, meaning that it will give us a little more...

wiggle room to actually work with the trainer on the behavior issue because let's say you have a dog that will explode because he's so afraid of the other dogs or like he's crazy hyper aroused because of anxiety and you know every little thing will trigger him even miles away so you know we can't do anything it doesn't matter if you're going to use shot colors and it doesn't matter if you're going to use

only treats the dog, like the second that it happens, explosion, right? He goes from zero to 60. The goal of the medication in most of these cases is to give us a little bit more time to be able to actually work on the behavior and treat the behavior. Many times, once we did it for, you know, enough time and the dog now learned the new behavior,

there's a good chance that we can win them off the medications and they don't need it. They're not going to need it anymore. So the fact that a dog is being put on some anti-anxiety medication doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to be on it for the rest of their lives.

But if we do see that, you know, we started winning him off and again, despite the fact that on the medication he was still curious, he was still playful, He was, as far as all of us can tell, enjoying life and eating nicely and interacting with their owners and if it's a playful dog with other dogs and all of that. Everything else kind of seems like a normal dog.

What's going on in the brain, again, we can't ask if they're happy or not. We can only say that their behavior is kind of looking normal.

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