Dr. Ori Stollar

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Training Without Conflict® | Dog Training Podcast · Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion · 3 May 2025 podcast
it's not in most cases it's not a problem to keep them on those medications for life as long as you know the veterinarian knows about it and he will do blood work once a year once every six months to make sure that nothing is changing and you know adjust things like what would it have to change in a blood work
without when you're talking about something that out there's like my there are a bunch of things that can be affected by these medications again depending on what medication you're actually using but let's say some ssris might affect thyroid levels might not actually cause thyroid disease okay yeah yeah sure sure sure yeah for sure for sure but i'm talking about uh um
That's true, but it's true in all scientific fields, not just medication. So I don't think it has anything to do with pharma. I think it has more to do with, researchers not wanting to publish things out there, you know, when they get like bad results that don't fit their hypothesis.
That's why, again, I'm actually pretty proud of the fact that I published something that maybe didn't fit the hypothesis.
No. So you mean what the actual change or the fact that they don't try to see?
Yeah, no, it is lacking. It is definitely lacking. But, you know, I can say the same thing about the study that you were a part of, right?
No, we don't have a lot of time. So I think it's also important, right?
Why is it addictive? If it's actually helping the person, what's the problem? You're saying that the person himself is saying, no, it's working. So we do try to look for the lowest possible dose.
That it's so powerful that they feel like total shit.
It's a problem. I actually don't think it's such a big problem because especially if it's not causing any medical issues and the person feels like it's helping them, then why not? Even a placebo effect is a good effect if it's actually working and not causing any issue. And again, I will take it to our field. First, we actually don't see crazy withdrawal signs as much as we can.
I mean, we keep going back to the point of what if what if the dog is like this or thinking like that we don't have the way to tell it and that's the same thing i can say about any method of training and also you would have a dog not not necessarily you specifically but you will have a dog for example being trained with a with a shock collar
You will have in many cases, not all cases, but in many cases, you will have to always have, even if you're not using it, but you will have to keep the actual shock collar on the dog. And in some cases, you will have to actually use it for those situations, you know, recall or chasing away after another animal or something like that.
So you actually also didn't really fix the problem because the dog still wears the collar. So you can say the same thing about the medication.
be happy if you let me just, again, nothing to do with the studies are all that just kind of like, sure, something that they do think that is important for people to know. A lot of people believe and you know, you might be one of them and say it's okay, everyone is entitled for their own opinion. But a lot of people believe
that using those psychoactive medications using those anti-anxiety medications especially the long-lasting ones not those fast-acting ones but the long-lasting ones like the ssris like prozac or chlamypramine is from a different family but using those medications might lead to a dog that is not happy, that is not enjoying life, or that has side effects.
Well, in fact, if you ask most of the veterinary behaviorists and their experience, and again, the studies that did ask owners what they saw, It's actually not the case. In most of these cases, the dogs are behaving normally and just not showing the problematic behavior to begin with. Do we need to throw those medications on every single patient that we see? Definitely not.
And I can tell you that as a veterinary behaviorist, a lot of times I get clients that are coming and they're already on Prozac that their primary veterinarian gave them. Why? Because he read somewhere that Prozac can reduce anxiety or can make the dog less aggressive. And it's definitely against it.
Yeah. And I'm definitely against it. Because again, just the medication is almost never the treatment.
So then the interesting question would be how many of them got the medication from a behavior specialist? Yes. If that's not the case, then of course it's skewing the results. And I agree with you. I agree with you that it's overused and used in a wrong way.
So I think that there, again, being a member and overall, kind of like agreeing with the general things that they try to, let's say, teach the veterinarians and the public and trainers, by the way, I think trainers can actually also, if I remember, maybe not trainers, but technicians, I'm not sure. But the debt organization is not in way
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