Dr. Peter Attia
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5,258 appearances
36 recordings
6 series
first heard Jan 2024
last heard Jun 2025
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Okay, I like that goal.
And this is on what kind of terrain?
I agree. I think as much as I think there are probably examples where the wise old grandpa or grandma can sit inside and tell stories to the kids. I mean, there's value in that, but I think there's even more value in going to their world. They typically don't want to come into your world. You typically have to go into their world. So you have to be able to go fishing, hike.
And again, people listening to us who have young kids should not waste the opportunity to observe what young kids do. There'll be different technologies in 25 or 30 years, but I think the principles will be the same. Kids like to play and therefore playing with my kids today is giving me a dry run of what I want to be able to do in 30 years.
When I first introduced this idea of the Centenary in Decathlon to the first of our patients, this is before, of course, we started 10 Squared. One of the bits of pushback I got a lot was, especially from people who were like in their 30s and 40s, they were like... Peter, I'm not that interested in my 80s and 90s. You keep talking about making me a kick-ass 80-year-old.
I want to be a kick-ass 40-year-old. What's wrong with that? What's the flaw in that logic?
Yeah. The analogy I used with people at the time, because archery is something I enjoy, is that what we're trying to do is train you to be exceptionally accurate at 100 yards. And you're telling me that you don't care about 100 yards, you just want to be accurate at 40 or 50 yards. And I'm telling you, trust me, if you're an ace at 100 yards, it's like shooting fish in a barrel at 40 yards.
And this is where the analogy is actually has a deeper layer of truth, which is that's a very nonlinear thing. 100 isn't just twice as difficult as 50. it's four or five times more difficult. And similarly, to be really fit and healthy in your 90s is a dramatically more demanding feat than just to be a fit 50-year-old.
Let's fast forward a little bit. Basically, as I'm kind of getting better from the shoulder thing and realizing how fortunate I feel to have had this experience where I've known Alton for a while, then I met you. It's this great connection.
I say, hey man, what do you think about this idea of we build this separate little business that just focuses on the training piece that's outside of my practice, outside of your practice, but integrates it with everything that's necessary to train a person for the marginal decade. So you bring in
All of the cardio training, you bring in all of the strength and conditioning, you bring in the coaches to integrate the whole thing. So, okay, we're doing that now of all the things we do in 10 squared. I still think that your domain is the hardest for people to wrap their heads around. I think people understand, oh yeah, you guys will help me get a high VO two max and you'll boost my zone too.
And you're going to make me stronger and blah, blah, blah. How do clients look at you?
What are some of the things you see, and I'm not asking this to be critical of what other rehab professionals do, but as a person listening to us who says, look, man, I've been not getting better. I've had fill in the blank injury. So I've had tennis elbow that won't get better. I've had lower back pain that's just not getting better. Shoulder pain that's not getting better.
How do you help that person think about whether or not there's an underlying structural problem that needs a surgical intervention or a more direct intervention versus You're not being instructed to do the right things and or you're being instructed and you're not doing it. Like, how do you walk somebody through that tree? Obviously, it's a heavy lift with a lot of details.
Are you saying that, it's going to sound like an ignorant question. Are you saying that in some facilities, one PT will work with multiple clients at the same time and put them through the same workouts, even if they're quite different?
Now, is this taking the extreme example at the other end, which is professional athletes? You work with a lot of them. You work with golfers, football players, basketball and baseball players typically, right? Is there any other type of athlete I'm missing? You know, I've had some incidental tennis people, a lot of runners too. Yep. Now-
Some of those athletes come with deeper pockets than others and come from leagues. So when you're talking about the NFL players, for example, is that problem completely solved? No, not at all.
So how do you guys do that? I didn't ask her in advance if we could do this. So we might have to edit this out of the discussion. Sure. Can we use my wife as an example? My wife is a client at 10 Squared. Great example. So Jill's a runner, like a little deer. Runs, runs, runs, runs, runs.
Yep. I'm very hands-off. Anything that has to do with her, actually, by design. Can you tell us a little bit about her? And what did you learn when you did an assessment of her? And how did that impact how she works with the other members of the team on the cardio side, on the strength and conditioning side?
There's another detail here that I do recall. Obviously, you recall as well, but it might be worth pointing this out to the listener. So she normally only runs one marathon a year. Last year, she ran two. She ran her Boston qualifying marathon, which I think was Chicago or Houston or something like that.
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