Dr. Rhonda Patrick

Again, it's the combination of the saturated fat and the refined carbohydrates.

Now, are we talking about

When you're having a high saturated fat diet in combination with what you call carbohydrate, high carb, I mean, is this, what if you're eating fruits and vegetables and maybe some oats?

Is that the same as eating cookies and processed foods?

And but what about like fructose versus glucose?

If you're having more fructose in the fruit, is that really causing the same insulin response as a refined?

So with respect to insulin resistance and weight loss and obesity and what's causing like the cause of these things, right?

I mean, this is where we get into there's also this sort of war between saturated fat versus sort of a high carb diet.

And can you lose weight on one or the other better?

And that's where Kevin Hall's study was kind of interesting.

I'd love to get your thoughts because

So he's published a study back in 2021.

NIH did a pretty well-controlled study where people were on a higher-carb diet or they were on a ketogenic diet.

They were isocaloric, so the same calories.

But did they lose more fat as well?

Well, speaking of wiggle room, I mean, we're talking about a variety of scenarios here where people can have wiggle room.

We talked about being in caloric deficit gives you a little more wiggle room.

Being in a ketogenic or close to a ketogenic state seems to give you more wiggle room.

But what about being highly physically active?

Right, and also you mentioned the study that was comparing strength training to the low carb.