Dr. Richard Hogan

And then Freddie Mercury.

And so those things get into you as a kid.

And I suppose what I want to say at the start of this, when I started working clinically many years ago now,

i had all of that stuff in my head and i had this very clear in my head that heterosexuality was this the kind of like the norm the you know the the popular the most say position we have intersexual kind of leaning that was it that was that's what's the norm and then the minority are those who are gay this is what i had as a younger younger man in my 20s that's kind of like the minority right

And then when I started working clinically and I started to see life, you know, you start to see life and I started to grow up and I started to kind of like analyze things a bit more and, you know, become more sophisticated in your thinking.

But I started to think that actually heterosexuality and sexuality.

Being homosexual, absolutely, just being homosexual and heterosexual are probably both in a bit of a minority and everything else exists in this fluid state.

Right.

And we don't want to talk about that.

No one wants to say that because we like to think in absolutes.

And I don't actually think sex for some is an absolute for sure.

I'm not saying it's not.

But I think for the majority of us, it's more of a fluid state.

I kind of do and I think we kind of might brush off it.

Growing up as a teenager, do we all question our sexuality?

I know I did and you think about things.

And kind of fluid and changes.

And so what you feel and what you're attracted to can be a kind of a spectrum.

Exactly.

I mean, in Roman times, they would have had like homosexual relationships.