Dr. Richard Hogan

They wouldn't even be considered, there wouldn't be a word for it.

You know what I mean?

We've created language to kind of label these things

And I suppose I came out of an Ireland and you came out of an Ireland that was like nobody in my class in Douglas boys was gay.

And of course, there was a load of boys in there that were gay.

And so many boys in that class, when I think about that class, particularly died by suicide, at least four died by suicide.

And you have to look back on that and think, that was only a small class.

What the hell was that?

And that's probably that stuff that Tommy heard that they should die roaring or they should all die.

And, you know, that's the stuff that we all and that word gay gets like, you know, I always think that is when I was working in schools, I talked to the lads and, you know, they were saying that's gay because it's changed.

It's transmuted over the years.

I mean, it's meant happy to begin with and then it became meant gay.

you know, as in homosexual.

And now it kind of means like stupid.

That's so gay.

So it's not really kind of a homophobic story.

And I'd say that to the lads in the class.

I'd say, lads, can we not, you know, when we use the word gay, you know what I mean, what are we saying here?

And they'd say, oh, it just means stupid.

It's nothing to do with that, sir.