Dr. Richard Moulange

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #241 – Richard Moulange on how now AI codes viable genomes from scratch and outperforms virologists at lab work — what could go wrong? · 31 Mar 2026 podcast

It is very possible that we are in a world where already PhD students and that level of expert are deeply uplifted, even if novices are only uplifted a little bit, just like how cloud code helps software engineers better than people who've never coded before.

And we tried to make this argument for 24.

We did not have that particular diagram, and maybe we should have done it.

So well done on, in fact, criticizing our work.

Clearly, your conflict of interest is being well managed.

All very top academic lads.

Remember, for some areas of science, it is driven more by lone visionaries in a university than necessarily states.

But I generally agree with you.

Everyone else maybe can just do it out of the box.

Yeah.

So I've been concerned that I think the threat modeling has been wrong for a while.

I think that...

It's understandable why it's gone this way.

I'm glad that we are able to measure novice uplift, but we must not do this at the detriment of measuring expert uplift.

So for a number of different threat actors, the ability for AI to complete tasks autonomously is really important.

because lots of different threat actor groups can't do everything themselves.

If you look at an individual, they might be an expert in one thing,

maybe they're an expert in bacteriology, but maybe they want to work with viruses.

It's one thing to sort of get troubleshooted support on how to do virology, but it's quite another thing either to have some of those tasks completed for you autonomously, maybe by a physical system.

Eventually we have to think about robotics, but even then having an AI that can wield the relevant virology biological tools for you is a huge boon rather than trying to coach you through doing it yourself.

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