Dr. Richard Moulange

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #241 – Richard Moulange on how now AI codes viable genomes from scratch and outperforms virologists at lab work — what could go wrong? · 31 Mar 2026 podcast

They have a lot to contribute.

I am concerned when we have conversations that lack in nuance, that that turns off deep expertise that we desperately need.

Oh, it's just weeks now, guys.

Yes.

I completely agree.

I think you've gestured a couple of different things that we should talk to more as we continue chatting.

You gestured at deterrence.

So the ability of, if we were better at defending, it makes it less palatable, less of an incentive for a threat actor, whether human or AI, to explore that.

You've mentioned defense in depth.

Maybe it's hard to come up with one silver bullet for this sort of problem, but can we stack lots and lots of different defenses that together make us much more resilient to this sort of threat?

I want to, I think, push back further on this.

Even if you had a FOOM scenario, superintelligence in weeks, would that magically turn into a deployable biological weapon?

Where would it get the DNA?

I think there's a number of different ways we can think about this.

One is it would be more like a terrorist group.

We'd have to order the DNA from somewhere.

And immediately there you can go, well, we should definitely have gene synthesis screening so that whenever you order DNA, it is screened for what it might be able to do.

so that you do not, in fact, send out dangerous pathogens to anyone.

And again, you can be using AI for defense here.

We can have copies of the AI.

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