Dr. Robert Waldinger

Well, I would say, first of all, not everybody should meditate.

Maybe most people shouldn't.

My wife has no interest in meditation.

She loves that I meditate.

She thinks that makes me a much better listener, right?

But she's no interest.

But she's a passionate pianist, so she sits and gets lost playing the piano, and time just drifts by, right?

And I think that, you know, they write about these states that they call flow, where it's where you're so absorbed in something.

You could be this in sport.

You could be it in gardening.

You could be it in anything.

But where you're just kind of lost in an activity.

And that time just kind of, you don't even, you're not aware of time and you're just in it.

And I think that that flow state we can find in many different ways and that that has the opportunity to help us see the difference between, oh, there's this way of being and then there's the constant chasing of the next fix.

The dangers we can say, okay, the digital world is bad.

And first of all, where's that going to lead us?

The digital devices we're so addicted to aren't going anywhere.

So the digital world is here.

But I think what we're not learning to do is figure out how to use it in a way that...

helps us and how to use it in a way that depletes us.