Great Company with Jamie Laing
DR ROBERT WALDINGER: This Is How You Make 2026 The Happiest Year of Your Life
07 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
coming up in this episode of Great Company.
Okay, if we started afresh tomorrow and made happiness our number one priority, what are the key things we should be focusing on?
Chapter 2: What are the key things to focus on for happiness?
I mean, I'm going to give you the simplest answer. I would say it's Hi, I'm Bob Waldinger and I'm in great company. Dr. Robert Waldinger. Director of the world's longest running study of happiness. I'm the fourth director of the longest study of human life that's ever been done. It started in the year 1938 with 724 teenagers. Now in our 87th year, we want to know what helps people thrive.
What are the predictors of who's going to be happy and healthy as they go through their lives? That just hadn't been done What did the results show in the end? They showed two big things. The culture gives us this message, oh, if you get really rich, then you're going to be happy. And it's not true.
Is loneliness dangerous for us? What is stress doing to the brain? Are we meant to be in relationships with one person? What makes a good life? What is it? Oh, just a little question.
There's research that showed that staying in a really terrible relationship is literally worse for your health. Depletes your health. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We studied these people their whole lives. And when they got to be in their 80s, we asked them, looking back on your life, what are you proudest of? Nobody mentioned their accomplishments. Get out of here. Everybody.
They talked about their relationships with people. They said, you know, I was a good partner. I was a good dad. Why do you think that is?
Hello, everyone. My name is Jamie Lang, and this is Great Company. Your TED Talk has 28 million views. 51 million. Sorry, my mistake.
I don't know.
Who's counting over here?
Not really. Who's counting?
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Chapter 3: How does loneliness affect our well-being?
And I think that my kind of shining a light on it was something that got people's attention in a way that I didn't expect it to.
Why do you think you'd be laughed off the stage?
Well, because I thought it was so obvious. I mean, do you ever have things where you know them, so don't you think everybody also knows them?
All the time.
Yeah, yeah.
I have that with my wife a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Why don't you know what I'm thinking? Exactly, yes. In your book, The Good Life, the first chapter... in the book is what makes a good life. Yeah. So if I was going to ask you what makes a good life, what is it?
Oh, just, just a little question.
Um, I have long locked the doors, everyone. Cause I'm ready.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to give you the simplest answer. I would say it's, being engaged in things you care about and being with people you care about it's the activities you care about and the people you care about and if you've got those you've got a lot a lot of what you need for happiness but that's talking also about purpose right yeah but a lot of us struggle to find our purpose
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Chapter 4: Can we change our inherent temperament towards happiness?
And so I structure my contact with them so that we're not likely to talk politics. We don't do that. And so it's not that I want to cut off the relationships. I don't. But I want to put guardrails around the things that get us into trouble.
What about making new relationships? Because could we go throughout our lives making new relationships? Or is it that having those old relationships are more important than new ones?
No, they're both important. Because first of all, we're going to lose our old relationships eventually. Well, people die. True. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people move away. I mean, I've lost, you know, my dearest friend in the world died of dementia 10 years ago. And it was just heartbreaking. And it's like, now what? Yeah. So we do need to keep those skills up of making new relationships.
And what you see is people doing it at all stages of life, including when they get to be very old. And there are ways to do it, right? Sociologists have studied what the easiest ways are to make new relationships. Which are what? Well, it's doing something you care about or you enjoy alongside the same other people again and again.
Chapter 5: What are some simple ways to find our purpose?
So, for example, like you join a club. Like, what do we tell our kids when they go to a new school? We say, join a club, right? So you find something you like to do, and it's not necessarily even for the thing they're doing. It's so that you meet other kids in a place where you have something in common.
And we can do the same, you know, volunteer for political activities, volunteer to help prevent climate change, join a football club. I don't know. You know, and if you go back again and again and you see the same people, you're more likely to strike up some conversations.
Do you know, the more I talk to people like yourselves who are sort of... who've studied throughout their lives, the more I realized that what our parents tried to teach us as kids was what we should be doing and reflecting ourselves as adults. Yeah. Eating healthy. Yeah. Get off screens.
Yeah.
Go to clubs, play, go on adventures. Do all of those things. That's what we tell our kids to do, but we don't put it in ourselves. Isn't that mad? We had it right when we were two, three, four, five.
And there's a reason why these things become... you know, wisdom that's handed down. Even though we as the children don't want to listen, there's a reason why they keep saying it, right? Because they've been tried and true methods of being happy and staying well.
Is loneliness dangerous for us?
Yeah. Yeah. It breaks down our health. It's a stressor the way that, you know, we talked about how stress breaks down the body. They've done all these studies of people being alone versus being with other people. They know, for example, that if you are alone in your house or your apartment, you sleep less soundly than if you're with other people. And we think it's evolutionary.
We think that we evolved to be social creatures because it's safer to be in numbers, right? Like if the goal of evolution is to pass on your genes, then you're probably more likely to pass on your genes if you huddle together in groups to ward off what's coming at you, right?
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Chapter 6: How does stress impact our health and happiness?
Wow. And so this part, and by the time this comes out, I would have had my first kid. kid right when when's the baby due uh soon like three weeks oh my gosh yeah yeah so it's literally about to about to um arrive but i find that this part of my life being at 37 is is not the unhappiest at all in any way i'm very i am i feel very happy yeah but it's hard yeah it's hard it's hard because
you have responsibilities and especially when you have more responsibilities and you have diapers to change, you have diapers to change and stresses and, and you also don't feel, I don't feel as agile as I did before. Yeah. And so this is probably that sort of thing that we're talking about here, which is this period of life is tricky. It feels like.
Yeah. It's trickier. Um, yeah. And, and one of the reasons why we get happier as we get older is if we still have our health, is that the pressures ease. If we have kids who are grown and launched, we're no longer taking care of aging parents, perhaps. That we no longer have so much pressure in our jobs.
Maybe we're retired or we have more control over our work life because we're more senior in our jobs. That those things then ease that pressure and we can take care of ourselves a lot more easily.
Can we be born unhappy or are we born everyone the same in a way and life changes us?
It's the former. We can be born unhappy or really more technically, we all have certain inborn temperaments.
What?
Yeah. I mean, did you read Winnie the Pooh? Yes. Loved it. There's Eeyore and there's Tigger. Yes. And some people are born Eeyores. They're always kind of. you know, down about things even when they're good. And then there are tiggers who are just bouncy all the time, even when the worst is happening. And we think that has to do with biological factors. There's inborn temperament.
And we're all kind of on a continuum that we don't understand that well. A great deal of it's genetically determined. But then, of course, there's so much environmental determination of happiness. And of just mood in general. So you can take the happiest person and traumatize them and make them depressed and withdrawn.
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Chapter 7: What unhealthy traits should we look out for in relationships?
She took a lot of studies and her estimate is that about 50% of our happiness is genetics. It's genetically based. And about 10% is based on our current life circumstances. If I'm having a bad time right now in my life, but only 10%. There's no way. Yeah. And about 40% is under our control. We can move the needle by things we do and don't do.
Which could either sound like a lot or a little, but to me it sounds like a lot.
So if we are feeling, if we have control over the way that we're feeling. Some way. Because that 10%, right? Yeah, sure. Fine. I get it. But, you know, I've definitely had moments in my life where I have felt anxious or down or low mood or whatever it is. And I sort of think, well, it's life. It's this, it's that. Perhaps it's my own way of looking at things.
Well, it probably does have to do with your way of looking at things. But it's also, I think that kind of inborn low mood would be something that's there all the time. So in other words, I think of mood as kind of ups and downs. Most of us have ups and downs of mood. I think everybody does. Sure, yeah.
But that some of us have started a different baseline, at a lower baseline, where when I'm down, I'm really down. And then I go up, but I never get that happy. And then I go back down really far. Other people, it's the reverse. They never get too far down, even on their worst days, right? Yeah. So again, it's both.
But if I look at me, right, for example, I'm a big lover of life, right? I love it more than anything. And I have a high energy, always have as a kid, you know, high energy, always that way. And so whenever I then started changing, whenever I did feel any dips, I hated it. I was scared of it because I hate that feeling of feeling anything that's not up here. Yeah. Yes. And so I became fearful.
Of feeling anxious or fearful or feeling down. Yeah. Because I didn't want that feeling because that's not my natural state. I don't like it.
Yeah.
And so then when you get stuck in that state, it's hard to get yourself out of it because you're like, well, I'm going to be like this forever.
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Chapter 8: How can we make meaningful connections with others?
In the world of the people I work with, the people I care about, the things I'm involved in, I'm really optimistic. When I look at what is falling apart, I am really scared. And the problem is that in my country, they're going after everything that I hold dear. So they're going after being kind to people. They're like grabbing people off the street.
I know.
And doing horrible things, right? They're going after science, which I've devoted my life to, right? And saying science doesn't matter, right? They're going after healthcare and spreading misinformation. So there's such big things in my life that to watch these under attack has made me... despair until I get up out of my chair and I go do something about it.
So I'm going to protests and I'm signing petitions. Because the goal is to not cooperate with things that we see that are wrong.
And it's such a big example there of we expect others to do it for us, but we have to do it ourselves.
Yeah. Because we, you know, myself included, everybody I know is we're sort of deer in the headlights initially. And then we have to stop being deer in the headlights and we have to go do something about it.
Robert, this has been honestly truly amazing. I really, like, honestly appreciate absolutely everything of this. As I said, I was a huge fan.
This was really fun.
Trust me, for me, it was the greatest. We like to end the conversation with eight quick questions. Eight? Okay. Everyone says that. But it can be quick fire if you want. Are you ready for this? Okay. What's a saying or phrase that you'd want people to come away with from this interview? Oh, from this interview.
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