Dr. Sanjay Gupta

The point is to show you that all pain exists in the brain.

Your brain decided that hurt, even though it wasn't even your hand.

It really is.

I think it's different because when you have a structural problem, whether it be in your spine or a joint, you're continuously activating those pain receptors.

And so that is a little different than somebody who basically you look at them and you got, there's nothing going on here.

structurally, anatomically, otherwise.

There's no injury, whatever it might be.

So then you have to focus more on what other parts of this pain system are not working properly.

And that's all going to be in the brain.

So, you know, like Rich Roll, I talked to him the other day.

He had a very significant spine problem.

front and the back.

Yes, yes.

I, you know, Rich is a good friend.

We were talking throughout that entire process and, you know, he's a ultra man athlete, you know, just, I think he was shocked at how much his post-op recovery sort of took.

Now, one thing that Rich would say if he were here was that he'd been dealing with chronic pain really for 13 years, since 2012.

And part of the reason that it took a lot longer for him to heal, and he's still not completely recovered from a pain standpoint, his pain, which was acute back in 2012, started to basically be encompassed by all this baggage that we talk about.

Yep.

And Rich, as smart as he is and as resilient as he is, probably wasn't addressing the baggage that came with this.

That idea of even a guy like him, so this should, you know, he's an ultraman, he's an athlete, he takes great care of himself, yet he still had this because of that added baggage.