Drew Holden

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442 appearances 3 recordings 1 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 25 Aug

Drew Holden’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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And then whether or not we should be funding gain-of-function research internationally.
And one would think, of all the places we might be a little bit worried about enhanced pathogens potentially causing an issue, it would be a Chinese lab run by shady communists with no oversight.
And with what we knew about some of these labs, there were Bio4
Level four bio labs operating with biosafety level two certifications.
There's a huge mismatch.
And so the danger that through no malicious action, through stupidity or chance or whatever it is, something bad could happen.
And Fauci just pressed the accelerator anyway.
And he fought a lot back in 2020 and 2021 to say, this isn't actually gain of function research.
Sure, they're taking pathogens and supercharging them a little bit, but it doesn't meet the strict definition that I coined as the head of the CDC for what constitutes gain of function research.
No, not a microcosm of doubt.
Mark, you know I'm pretty squishy on a lot of these things.
I'm not a fire breather.
I'm not a hard charger.
The idea that, hey, we should get a scientist to actually testify on the record because he might have done something so awful that we would need to have some sort of legal consequences for it, that scares me to say out loud.
But it does seem impossible, truly impossible,
to dispute that Dr. Fauci lied repeatedly to Congress about the most serious issue that we could possibly imagine for years.
It's a great question.
You would have to think so, right?
To me, Mark, I'm not a legal expert, but the stakes of this just seem so impossibly high, right?
If what is alleged...
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