Duncan Smith

you know, in response to the human rights abuses that were taking place there.

You know, you go back further in terms of rugby, in terms of the state support for, you know, the boycott of apartheid South Africa.

So there are... Sorry, Duncan, there's another example coming from listeners.

It's essentially amounted to an intervention, though, back in the day is the point I'm making.

And, you know, it is tricky territory, you know, and Senator Cohen mentioned what minor skirmishes are we going to make stands on.

And you've got run through a list of potential examples there.

What we have here is not to exceptionalise things, but this is not a minor skirmish.

This is not something that's just happened in the last couple of weeks.

This has been going on.

for two and a half plus three years.

This is a massive global event and is continuing to spill out into other conflicts in terms of Israel.

No, I know you weren't mentioning, I appreciate, and I know you weren't saying that this was minor, but what I'm saying is that this is exceptional, that what's happening, and no one can deny that what the Israelis have been carrying out

is exceptional for how sustained it has been and for how intense it's been and for the number of deaths and for the different spheres in which it's taking place, Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon.

So, like, there is an exceptional element here.

And what I come back to is this has broad support, OK?

And I don't, like...

it's not easy.

I don't really want to be like blaming the government on everything here because it's not easy.

But we have an opportunity here.

The FAI need to stand up.