Dwarkesh Patel

So we're discussing what, like, plausibly could be the cognitive core.

There's a separate question, which is, what will actually be the size of furniture models over time?

And I'm curious to have a prediction.

So we had increasing scale up to maybe 4.5, and now we're seeing decreasing slash plateauing scale.

There's many reasons that could be going on.

But do you have a prediction about going forward?

Will the biggest models be bigger?

Will they be smaller?

Will they be the same?

Do you think they're looking for it to be similar in kind to the kinds of things that have been happening over the last two to five years?

Like just in terms of like if I look at Nano Chat versus Nano GPT and then the architectural tweaks you made, is that basically like the flavor of things you continue to keep happening?

Or is there – you're not expecting any giant paradigm shift?

Okay.

This is my general manager, Max.

Good to be here.

And you have been here since you were onboarded about six months ago.

Eight months ago.

Oh, right.

Time passes so fast.

But when I onboarded you, I was in France.