Dwarkesh Patel

Using this, as opposed to AGI, you're using this to basically as entertainment or as like a self-betterment.

But it sounded like you had a vision also that this education is relevant to keeping humanity in control of AI.

I see.

And they sound different.

And I'm curious, is it like it's entertaining for some people, but then empowerment for some others?

How do you think about that?

Now that I'm understanding the vision,

That's very interesting.

Like, I think it actually has a perfect analog in gym culture.

I don't think 100 years ago anybody would be, like, ripped.

Like, nobody would have, you know, be able to, like, just spontaneously bench two plays or three plays or something.

And it's actually very common now.

And you're... Because this idea of systematically training and lifting weights in the gym or systematically training to be able to run a marathon, which is a capability spontaneously you would not have or most humans would not have.

And you're imagining similar things for...

learning across many different domains much more intensely, deeply, faster.

Yeah, exactly.

I guess it's still a world in which that is not enabling us to...

It's like the culture world, right?

Like you're not fundamentally going to be able to like transform the trajectory of technology or influence decisions by your own labor or cognition alone.

Maybe you can influence decisions because the AI is asking for your approval, but you're not like, it's not because I've like, I can, because I've invented something or I've like come up with a new design, I'm like really influencing the future.