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Anyway, so he argues that initial wave was so successful because of these first, I guess,

Diseases that the farmers had created the conditions to engender.

And basically the relationship we had... Sorry, the relationship these farmers had with respect to the foragers that they were taking over from was similar to the relationship the Europeans had to the Native Americans, where inadvertently the disease is just like a significant player in why you were able to dominate them.

I don't know how plausible you find that.

The point you made about fertility is interesting.

I can't remember where I saw this, and it might be wrong, but I vaguely remember reading that for... It's not just the fact that you're not, like, the energy density is lower.

It's that you're also moving around a lot.

And so that... Because of that, you're spacing out kids much more so than if you're just, like, in the same place.

And I think, like, the actual fertility for foragers is, like, not... Is, like, sort of, like, a reasonable...

I don't know if sustainable is the right word because I don't mean, like, in an ecological sense, but more so in a, like, it, like, keeps your population constant.

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One thing I'm really curious about is what effect these diseases through history have had on the cognitive functioning of people.

I mean, yeah, you discuss this in the chapter about more recent history of the great divergence and probably contributed to the productivity of Europe that they were able to have public health earlier.