Dylan Mulvaney

But I do think that a lot of like my cultural references, like I grew up watching Will and Grace and Glee was my favorite.

But I think that it was kind of this...

you know, early 2000s kind of culture of, like, there was still a lot of gay men who were not coming out and actors that didn't feel comfortable being out.

So I did still see a lot of shame around being gay.

And so I couldn't even fathom the idea of transitioning because I was like, well, if gay people aren't accepted, then they're definitely not going to accept trans people.

So sorry.

That's okay because I think... No, it's not okay.

No, it's not.

You're right.

It's not, but... You know...

Hopefully it's getting better and we've got a long way to go in many ways.

But I felt like what non-binary, that time period did, I was non-binary for probably like a year and a half.

And then I started popping the hormones.

And I was like, oh, I think I like this.

I'm there soon.

Yes.

For different reasons.

Yeah, I think about when I was non-binary, it's almost like in Mario Kart where you hop on a cloud for a second and then you hop to the next cloud.

That was a really nice time to just explore what... I think a lot of people are afraid to ask themselves questions about their gender or their relationship to gender because...

they haven't had to in the past, they've just kind of accepted what has been bestowed upon them.