Dylan Mulvaney

And I was like, oh, okay.

Like, and she goes, I'm so pissed right now.

And I was like, why?

She goes, I wanted to hate you, but I can't.

And I was like, what a weird thing to say to someone.

But also I was, and actually my friend got really pissed

Like defensive and sort of like, oh, this is no longer a safe space.

And I said, nope, it's okay.

Let her go here because it's so rare that we get to see into someone who is having an actual moment of change or of – this felt like an opportunity for real connection.

And I was like, oh, what is – what was it that you –

felt really triggered by me.

And she was like, well, it's just, I was, you know, watching the news and they said you were, you know, X, Y, and Z. And I started to, I was like, well, no, actually I did it.

And you could see her being like, oh my God, I was fed this thing.

And it was really cool because I think while

we might not have aligned on many things in our lives.

At least in that moment, I knew that she saw me the way that I want the world to see me.

And so I think those moments I'm actually really comfortable with.

And even like being here today talking about it, like there could be somebody listening to this that –

does come in with preconceived notions.

There could be people that listen to your podcast that were like, oh, I'm not gonna listen to this episode because it's still Mulvaney.