Ed Husain

and the Muslim Brotherhood are rejected in Mecca.

And there's a strong message, I think, for all of us in the West.

If Mecca, the UAE, Egypt, and other Muslim countries can reject them and de-radicalize their population, what stops us in the West from saying, we too will reject what came out of Nazism and Marxism here in the West?

know i think it's a reasonable request yeah yeah but that's such a powerful request yeah um and it's a realistic request and it also shows up the european far left for basically being in bed with the worst elements of the far right and muslim countries in this case the muslim brotherhood you were talking earlier about you know the the red green alliance you know which helped the iranian government today's coming to power which helped hamas come into power

Because it's a great question because it links to your earlier question.

By 1966, the Egyptian government, and you can fault the Egyptian government for a whole range of things, but you can't say they didn't understand the Muslim Brotherhood because Gamal Abdel Nasser, who was then the president, was part of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Anwar Sadat, who they killed, was in regular conversations with both Hassan al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb.

So they knew the beast they were dealing with.

They were part of it.

They turned against it, and they both took, Sadat especially, literally a bullet from members and the wider affiliates of the Muslim Brotherhood, in Sadat's case, for making peace with Israel.

But it is in the 60s when the Egyptians finally say, we've had enough of this movement.

In the name of charity, in the name of education, in the name of religion, they basically want to turn Egyptian Muslims against each other and against their own government.

We're going to ban them.

At that point, large numbers of these newly urbanized doctors and engineers start to move out of Egypt, some expelled, some welcomed out of hospitality and kindness of the Arabian Peninsula countries.

And they go to the UAE, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and to some extent, small numbers of them also go to Bahrain.

And there they begin to radicalize a new generation of native peoples

But many of these Egyptians who are rejected from institutions, especially universities in Egypt, surprise, surprise, want to come to universities in the UK and in the US.

So they end up, because they're now political refugees and they're persecuted, some of the best institutions in the US and in the UK welcome the Muslim Brotherhood.

and say, you know, here's funding mechanism, you know, please set up whatever institutions you want to set up here.

But you're now American citizens and British citizens.