Ed Martin

And she did that her whole career.

And she did it with respect.

I mean, when you watch that debate, she's not mean.

She's just saying, hey, here's the facts, actually.

Here's what's going on.

And she's a lesson for us.

But she also knew, Steve, last thing I'll say, I'm headed out to the airport, is she knew the stakes.

One time she said to me about Trump, she said, and she was public, she said, he may be our last best hope.

She saw the precipice we were on, and she knew, and when she was dying, she said to me, one of her last words to me was, keep going.

Keep going, because as you know, Steve, and all of us, there's times we just get tired.

You're like, you know, I could do something else.

I could be.

And the message from her and all of us is, hey, keep going because of what's at stake.

If it was a debate about, you know, should we have a marginal tax rate of 15 or 20 or whatever?

This isn't this is this is a, you know, civilization.

moment and Phyllis knew it.

And she knew last thing Trump, you know, Trump's a master in many ways, but he called her on her birthday and I was at her house.

Phone rings, picks it up.

She says, so hi, Mr. Trump.

She always called him Mr. Trump.