Ed O'Brien

I think it's that thing that when I really looked at the... So how does it all fit together?

What happens first?

I think that thing of that dark night of the soul forces you to look at your fears and sit at your fears.

Really find out what it is that's put you in this place.

And then you sit...

And you're not running away from it.

And that each day it gets easier to sit with them.

And then you find stillness.

And in that stillness comes grace, comes spirit.

And so it's quite a tricky thing to talk about, but that's my truth.

That's what I feel.

And I think, I don't know if you've experienced that form of grace.

Have you, is that something that?

As you were just saying that, I'm like, you are so coherent and eloquent on this.

I mean, there's a reason you're writing books and there's a reason you do this podcast.

I'm still in that phase.

It's funny as you said that, because when you say it's like being with a teacher, you know, you're talking about Sorrento.

It's like, I'm still in that phase when I'm kind of...

I haven't pieced it all together.

It's still bits like that.