Eilish Gilligan

It is actually quite a taboo thing to say.

I think it's an interesting point in culture where she's saying it in that I think people are slightly more receptive right now.

It's like that classic pendulum swing of how we talk about work and identity.

And I think obviously we've spoken so much about like the big girl boss era of like 10 years ago.

And then we swung back to be like, no, that's not how we speak.

And then we've had like the emigres of the world go through their book tour right now.

And so now we're back talking about what hustle actually is.

And you have someone like Miranda Priestly go, and yeah, I love working.

And there's a whole host of people that feel like, oh yeah, maybe I'm allowed to say that right now.

Yeah.

Well, it's what we talk about in that in a relationship like that one, if you're with Anna, you simply can't shine.

Yeah.

Like you've got to be the fourth cello player in that band, you know, like you've got to be.

And I loved that scene between him and Andy Sachs where she was like, oh, I listen to your music.

And he's like, did you really know that?

And she's like, not really.

I just looked it up this morning.

Let's get to some of the slight backlash around the film and also how we felt about the development of Andy and Emily's character arcs.

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