Eleanor Herman
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363 appearances
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2 series
first heard Nov 2024
last heard 3 Jul
Eleanor Herman’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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We have spoken about JFK before. And he didn't ever, ever stay faithful to his wife, Jackie. Like, not even a little bit, did he?
It is pathological. In the episode that you came on and we spoke specifically about JFK, when you're laying it all out, I'm actually hearing it thinking, these aren't the actions of a well man. This isn't normal behaviour by any means. This is weird behaviour.
Oh no. Oh, I would hope that he did.
Jesus. Wow. So Jackie knew, I mean, how could she not know what he was up to? But she was, she kind of did that thing that a lot of women married to powerful men have done down the years and sort of made their peace with the fact that, yeah, if he stands still long enough, he's going to have a go at it.
Why didn't the press get Kennedy on this? Because any journalist, they wouldn't have even need to research this very hard to have discovered, hang on, the president is running around America like a dog with two penises here. Why didn't that hit the press? Why wasn't that a scandal?
Yeah, he's got to be up there, hasn't he? I don't even know what the word is because it's not the fact that he had a lot of sex. People can have a lot of sex. It's just sexually, morally repugnant with what he was doing. Cheating on his wife, taking advantage of people. You laid it out in the last episode that you came on. Not even being nice to these women that he's having an affair with, really.
He's just using them like a conveyor belt.
There you go. Look at that. Look at that.
Wow. And of course, you've got issues of national security. If he's having at it with anything with a pulse is, you know, sweet. What do they call them? Honey trap spies?
There is nothing stupider on this planet than a horny man. That and JFK just exemplify it. So he is an absolute dirtbag for all his politics. And he was great and he was fabulous, but he was still sexually a dirtbag. Let's talk gay presidents. Has there ever been a gay president, Eleanor?
Yes.
No. As a sex historian, how often do we read that? That a family found papers after they died and then was so horrified they had to burn it. And we're always going, no!
12 hours?
Oh, so Buchanan, for your money, and to be honest, I think I'm going to agree with you. He was a gay man and it seems at the time it was well known. Now there have been rumours, just whispery, sneaky rumours about Abraham Lincoln. Maybe he was a gay man. And what do you think of that?
The evidence for Lincoln then seems to be that he had, historians always, people take the mick out of us for going, they were just close friends, but he did have a very close friendship with this guy. Yes. Was it Speed? And they shared a bed and it wasn't just for a night. It was for quite a while that they were doing that. But that's sort of the extent of the evidence for that, isn't it?
So there were no rumors at the time. It wasn't like with Buchanan where it was Miss Nancy and Miss Fancy. Not at all. Nobody at the time. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay, that's mildly disappointing. I was really hoping there that you would say, yeah, he was definitely a fabulous gay man. Do you know the one that I was really upset about was FDR. I thought he did stay faithful to his wife.
One of the ones I want to talk to you about is we're kind of drawing it to where we are going to have to stop talking about people because they're still alive. But Lyndon B. Johnson. Lyndon B. Johnson. Now, one of the things I do know about, or at least I read it about him, apparently he had a huge penis and he called it jumbo and liked to show it to people.
Wow. Okay. Going forward for this, because I'm just thinking about powerful men, presidents and the sex that they have. Do you think that they will learn their lessons from history? Mentioning no names in particular, but there are current sex scandals around presidents or former presidents that could threaten to take down an organization. And I'm just wondering...
Now when we've got so much tabloid journalism and the internet and everything is under scrutiny in a way it's never been before, do you think it'll stop them?
And they would never be elected in the same way. Like if a woman ran for the prime minister in the UK and she had multiple ex-partners and ex-husbands and wasn't even sure how many children she'd actually had, there's no way she would get elected. There's just no way.
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