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Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Now, that doesn't mean she's actually being untruthful, but I do think it makes her an unreliable witness, and I'm curious to see if the jury will see it the same way. Now, after finally finishing with all things McCabe, we heard from the prosecution's 13th witness, Hannah Knowles, who's a forensic scientist.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Now, that doesn't mean she's actually being untruthful, but I do think it makes her an unreliable witness, and I'm curious to see if the jury will see it the same way. Now, after finally finishing with all things McCabe, we heard from the prosecution's 13th witness, Hannah Knowles, who's a forensic scientist.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Now, that doesn't mean she's actually being untruthful, but I do think it makes her an unreliable witness, and I'm curious to see if the jury will see it the same way. Now, after finally finishing with all things McCabe, we heard from the prosecution's 13th witness, Hannah Knowles, who's a forensic scientist.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Knowles testified that given Karen's blood alcohol level of .093% at 9 a.m., she would have had a blood alcohol between .14% and .28% at 12.45 a.m., which is more than three times the Massachusetts legal limit of .08%. On cross-examination, the defense brought up the possibility that Karen could have had additional alcohol after 12.45 a.m. when she returned to John's house.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Knowles testified that given Karen's blood alcohol level of .093% at 9 a.m., she would have had a blood alcohol between .14% and .28% at 12.45 a.m., which is more than three times the Massachusetts legal limit of .08%. On cross-examination, the defense brought up the possibility that Karen could have had additional alcohol after 12.45 a.m. when she returned to John's house.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Knowles testified that given Karen's blood alcohol level of .093% at 9 a.m., she would have had a blood alcohol between .14% and .28% at 12.45 a.m., which is more than three times the Massachusetts legal limit of .08%. On cross-examination, the defense brought up the possibility that Karen could have had additional alcohol after 12.45 a.m. when she returned to John's house.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

And Knowles admitted that if this were true, quote, the foundations of my calculations would be incorrect. Then on Monday, we went through a number of the prosecution's witnesses rather quickly. We heard from Ryan Nagel. Ryan is the brother of Julie Nagel, who was at 34 Fairview the night of the incident for Brian Elbert Jr. 's birthday party.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

And Knowles admitted that if this were true, quote, the foundations of my calculations would be incorrect. Then on Monday, we went through a number of the prosecution's witnesses rather quickly. We heard from Ryan Nagel. Ryan is the brother of Julie Nagel, who was at 34 Fairview the night of the incident for Brian Elbert Jr. 's birthday party.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

And Knowles admitted that if this were true, quote, the foundations of my calculations would be incorrect. Then on Monday, we went through a number of the prosecution's witnesses rather quickly. We heard from Ryan Nagel. Ryan is the brother of Julie Nagel, who was at 34 Fairview the night of the incident for Brian Elbert Jr. 's birthday party.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

So we have Ryan, his then-girlfriend Heather Maxson, and his friend Ricky, who drove to 34 Fairview around 12.30 a.m. to pick up Julie. Ryan testified that as Ricky's truck approached Fairview, he could see a black SUV that ended up turning onto Fairview just before they did.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

So we have Ryan, his then-girlfriend Heather Maxson, and his friend Ricky, who drove to 34 Fairview around 12.30 a.m. to pick up Julie. Ryan testified that as Ricky's truck approached Fairview, he could see a black SUV that ended up turning onto Fairview just before they did.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

So we have Ryan, his then-girlfriend Heather Maxson, and his friend Ricky, who drove to 34 Fairview around 12.30 a.m. to pick up Julie. Ryan testified that as Ricky's truck approached Fairview, he could see a black SUV that ended up turning onto Fairview just before they did.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Now, he said that the SUV wasn't speeding and appeared to be operating safely, and he said he didn't notice any pieces missing from the car's taillight. Now, here's something interesting. Ryan said that he never saw anyone exit the SUV, and he never saw anyone laying on the ground. But he was also firm that the passenger seat was empty. So in his version of events, where was John?

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Now, he said that the SUV wasn't speeding and appeared to be operating safely, and he said he didn't notice any pieces missing from the car's taillight. Now, here's something interesting. Ryan said that he never saw anyone exit the SUV, and he never saw anyone laying on the ground. But he was also firm that the passenger seat was empty. So in his version of events, where was John?

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Now, he said that the SUV wasn't speeding and appeared to be operating safely, and he said he didn't notice any pieces missing from the car's taillight. Now, here's something interesting. Ryan said that he never saw anyone exit the SUV, and he never saw anyone laying on the ground. But he was also firm that the passenger seat was empty. So in his version of events, where was John?

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

This testimony was followed up by testimony from Ryan's now ex-girlfriend, girlfriend at the time, Heather Maxson. Again, she was in the car with Ryan and Ricky during the trip to pick up Julie from Fairview. And her testimony was mostly identical to Ryan's, except she said she did see a male in the passenger seat.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

This testimony was followed up by testimony from Ryan's now ex-girlfriend, girlfriend at the time, Heather Maxson. Again, she was in the car with Ryan and Ricky during the trip to pick up Julie from Fairview. And her testimony was mostly identical to Ryan's, except she said she did see a male in the passenger seat.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

This testimony was followed up by testimony from Ryan's now ex-girlfriend, girlfriend at the time, Heather Maxson. Again, she was in the car with Ryan and Ricky during the trip to pick up Julie from Fairview. And her testimony was mostly identical to Ryan's, except she said she did see a male in the passenger seat.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Now, regardless of whether you believe that Ryan was correct and John wasn't in the car, or you believe that Heather was correct and John was in the car, the point is they both saw Karen arrive at Fairview shortly before 1230. And they remained there for at least a couple of minutes and they didn't observe any sort of accident.

Serialously with Annie Elise
272: Karen Read Trial Recap Week 3: Solo Cups, Butt Dials & Witnesses Scramble to Cut Ties with the Alberts/Proctor

Now, regardless of whether you believe that Ryan was correct and John wasn't in the car, or you believe that Heather was correct and John was in the car, the point is they both saw Karen arrive at Fairview shortly before 1230. And they remained there for at least a couple of minutes and they didn't observe any sort of accident.