Chapter 1: Who was Lizzie Halliday and why was she infamous?
Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is Morbid. 🎵
This is Morbid, and we're going back to the 18 motherfucking hundreds today. Oh, it's old timey. I haven't done it in a little bit. In a minute. Let's fucking go. I haven't been in the 1800s for a minute. Let's go. And this one's crazy, y'all. Tell me, sister. First of all, it really upset me today because Ice used a five-year-old kid as bait.
There is actually, people don't know if he's five or if he's four. Okay. A tiny little beautiful boy in his little backpack with a bunny hat on. His blue little hat. And if those images don't fuck your entire world up, then I don't understand your life. No. So just wanted to start with that.
The thing is, I think, A good-ass majority of people are upset. I think people who are not upset are luckily in the minority, but it's wild that they exist.
Yeah, because I can't imagine looking at the photos of that little boy standing there with his little backpack, knocking on his front door while an ICE agent is literally crouched next to him. Yeah, waiting to ruin his entire family's life. I don't understand looking at that and not feeling...
anything so that's i just had to get that out because that image has really a lot of things has bothered me but that one just really got me today yeah that's definitely something that would get you so yeah fuck that shit and um i really hope everything gets better man and if you're in maine right now hang tight i hope i hope you guys are all right there
And if you're in the south, good luck with this storm. Yeah, that's the other thing.
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Chapter 2: What events led to Lizzie Halliday's first marriage?
There's a fucking huge winter storm happening. And I know we're going to be getting like up here in Massachusetts, we're going to get mostly just a lot of snow. But I think in the south, it's going to be like a ton of ice storms. Yeah. And so like I think there's going to be a ton of power. Just be careful. Yeah, it's going to be gnarly. So hopefully everybody that I keep seeing people being like,
And like meteorologists and ships saying it's like a once in a generation type of storm. And I'm like, what? That's insane. What the fuck? Yeah. So stock up if you can. Get the bread and the milk. Get the bread and the milk. It's not a joke. Really do it. Actually get the bread and the milk. And get some water and all that good stuff. Stock up if you can. Yeah, get a few gallons.
And yeah, I hope everybody, I hope we come back next week and we're like, that wasn't that bad. That was a fun little winter storm. I know, right? And maybe ice will be abolished once that's over. Ice will melt.
All of the ice will melt away.
That's what we hope. But yeah.
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Chapter 3: How did Lizzie's mental health impact her relationships?
So I just had to mention that adorable little boy. And we wanted to tell you to be safe in the winter storm. That's a coming. Yeah. And also Ghost is touring again right now. Oh. We're supposed to go to a show. I really hope you will. I hope they're being safe when they travel because they're kind of traveling like with the storm. They're in the eye of the storm. So be careful, Ghost. Yeah.
If you're listening, Ghost, as a whole, be careful. I know. But yeah, I think that's really all the updates unless you got anything.
Harry Styles is releasing new music tomorrow.
There you go. Hello.
There you go. What's the name of the album? Kiss All The Time, Disco Occasionally. That's a great name. Great name, great advice, words to live by. There you go. Kiss all the time. Disco occasionally.
Disco occasionally. You didn't get to see this, but Ash did a disco move while she said that.
Yeah, you better disco occasionally. And I don't know if they said the song name that's being released tomorrow, but I have a doctor's appointment in the morning, and that's going to sing me there.
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Chapter 4: What were the circumstances surrounding Lizzie's violent behavior?
It's going to get you ready. Let's go.
See, that's a good thing. Yeah, Harry. That's positive. Harry. Harry. I'm so excited.
well you know who we're going to talk about right now that's completely the opposite of harry styles a woman named lizzie lizzie halliday that's all i knew also known as the worst woman on earth the worst woman on earth literally deemed the worst woman on earth i feel like so many women probably including ourselves have been deemed the worst women on earth it's true but she might be liz lizzie uh she's a good contender okay all right she's up
You don't feel like we're good contenders? I feel like, honestly, we're all good contenders, you know? But you know what? She was known as the worst woman on earth and ended up being the first woman ever to be sentenced to die in the electric chair. Oh, shit. Yeah. Sentenced. I saw. I heard that. You heard that little emphasis.
Yeah.
So let's get into this, shall we? We shall, bitch. So Lizzie Halliday, who was she? I don't know. Who was Lizzie? I only know the two things you just told me so far. Well, she was born Eliza McNally. Make that three. She was born Eliza McNally in County Atrium, Ireland in 1864. Oh, an Irish.
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Chapter 5: What led to the tragic fire and the death of Johnny Halliday?
We got an Irish. I don't know why I rolled. I liked it. Lizzie was one of nine children. Her parents were John and Pam McNally. The McNally's decided to leave Ireland for the U.S. after dealing with more than a decade of the potato famine and the oppressive British occupation in Ireland. So they said bye. That'll do it.
They arrived in Philadelphia in 1867, and they left part of their family in Ireland, which was very common. Yeah. And they were hoping to make enough money that they could send for the rest of their family. Yeah, I feel like that happens so frequently. So often.
Now, once they got there, John McNally found a job as a laborer, and Pam got a job as a barmaid in a pub owned by family friends, the McQuillans. They'll come back. Super Irish. Remember them. Okay, McQuillans. They were actually doing pretty well financially, but they were working their butts off.
And with this influx of income, they were able to send for the rest of their children to come live with them pretty quickly, which was great. Yeah. Within a few years, John and Pam had not only saved enough money to bring all their family over from Ireland, but also to relocate them to a less densely populated region of the Northeast, eventually settling in Newburgh, New York in 1872. All right.
Making moves. Yeah. They had a home that was not far from the McQuillans, who also relocated to that area. I remembered them. Remember them. Continue to remember them.
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Chapter 6: How did Lizzie's actions lead to her arrest and trial?
I will. Now, newly arrived in the United States, Lizzie, who was then known as Maggie. Okay. So her name is Eliza, called Lizzie, also known as Maggie. Makes sense. Yeah. She focused hard on her schooling and, you know, she really helped her parents out around the house. She was just she was great that way. And by the time she was 14, she started dating Nathaniel McQuillan. OK.
But they broke up sometime in 1879 when the McNally's relocated again. Damn, they do be moving. They do. They ended up moving further up the river into the Hudson Valley in Greenwich, which was a small village along the border with Vermont.
At this point, Lizzie had finished her schooling and was now pretty much expected to find work to help support the family or go find a husband and settle down and start her own family. Lizzie decided she wanted to go out and find work for herself. So she started a series of jobs, mainly as a domestic worker for some of the wealthier families in the area.
Now, this is when some behaviors began to emerge that now would likely be recognized as symptoms of a severe mental illness. Okay. She's like late teens, early 20s? Yeah. Checks.
According to author Kevin Owen, some relatives and employers reported at times she would make poor choices and destructive decisions which would alienate her employers, her family, and everyone she came into contact with. So everyone. Yeah. Yeah. So literally all the people.
In a report given to the press after Lizzie's arrest, one of her former employers told the press that Lizzie's employment started well and she performed like pretty satisfactorily. But at the end of the third week, quote, something went wrong with the baking.
The employer called Maggie's attention to it mildly, whereupon she flew into a violent passion using violent, vile language to her mistress, whom she threatened to have arrested at once.
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Chapter 7: What evidence was discovered during the investigation of Paul Halliday's murder?
Whoa. Yeah. She said, I made it! Nice! She did. Now, according to a lawyer familiar with her behavior at the time, he said, quote, she seemed to know the difference between right and wrong, but was quite indifferent as to which turned up first. That's scary. And that's the thing. She is very mentally ill. Yeah. Like that is clear through this.
But you can tell she makes moves that are very cunning and are very much used to keep herself from being caught. Right. So there is that idea that she is sane, but she's got a severe mental illness for sure. She would often get fired for things like stealing or violent or verbally abusive behavior. She even threatened a child with a knife. Oh, my God, Lizzie Maggie.
For unknown reasons, Lizzie Maggie. What the fuck? And at the time, Lizzie's relationship with her family also, as you can probably guess, started to deteriorate. Oh, okay. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. She was thriving? Yeah. According to her brother John, quote, So later down the line, after she was arrested and put on trial, which we'll get to,
More information about Lizzie's behavior during this period started to come to light. Painting a very scary but very sad picture of a woman who was clearly losing her grip on reality and losing her ability to control her increasingly aggressive behavior. On top of this, her work was tied to her place to live because she was a domestic worker. Right.
Chapter 8: What was the outcome of Lizzie Halliday's trial and subsequent fate?
So if she was fired, she was kicked out of the home and needed to find somewhere to stay. She got fired a lot. So a lot of instability here. And that doesn't help mental health either. No, of course not. When she was evicted in 1879, her sister Martha said Maggie from this time on became so reckless in her conduct, especially in her dealings with men.
that her employer had to deny her the house, leaving her both unemployed and homeless. Damn, that's sad. So she couldn't hold a job for very long. I mean, the thing is, like, she was clearly mentally ill, but like I said, she was also being very destructive and very aggressive and very violent to people. Yeah, she's going after children with knives.
Yeah, so you're getting kicked out for a reason. Right. It's not like they just don't like her. Yeah, exactly. Now, she couldn't hold a job for very long, so she sought out the only viable path for women in the late 19th century. And in 1879, she married Charles Hopkins, a carpenter who was very much older than her. She was 20 years old at the time.
There's not a lot that's known about the marriage or really Hopkins himself because again this is a long time ago but it is believed from some digging that he was a deserter from the British army who was living under the name Keatspool Brown when he and Lizzie married. All righty.
Although he did officially make his living as a carpenter, Kevin Owens, who we will link in the show notes, he said he also had a history of shady and criminal behavior. And in one instance, he romanced a local married woman and convinced her to steal money from her employer for him. Damn. He ended up receiving $200 from the women in the 1800s. That's a lot of money.
And then just skipped out on the relationship. Oh, so he was only romancing her for himself? Oh, yeah. For his own shit? So after her arrest and incarceration later, Lizzie explained that Hopkins, quote, always had some woman coming about and visiting with whom he had once been acquainted. Oh, that's shitty.
Hopkins was making it seem like he was just manipulating these women for money, but he was also trying to make Lizzie feel like it wasn't a mistress situation. But it clearly was. It was pretty much both. Yeah. But either way, Lizzie was clearly understandably very jealous of this.
And curiously, and a little suspiciously, Hopkins' acquaintance there, the woman, was found dead in her bed not long after this began. Hello, 911? Yeah. I'd like to report a tip. She was found with a bottle of poison on the nightstand beside her. And under the circumstances, the death was ruled a suicide. But no note was ever found.
Weird.
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