Eliana Dockterman
Appearances
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Still going. Still going. Well, I was thinking about it too. It's like Google where anything I see that is like this to me is a George Foreman grill. Mmm. The same way that like Xerox, Band-Aid, Kleenex, all these things are not just brands. They are the product.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
We are all obviously sad for his family that he has been lost. I have to imagine that outside of them, the saddest people on the planet that George is no longer with us are the Paul brothers, that they couldn't rope him into a fight. Because that kind of energy in that environment is perfect.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I don't want to celebrate Bobby Bonilla Day anymore. I want to celebrate George Foreman Day because my dad always jokes when he would sign something or someone would show like, hey, this is on eBay. My dad's like, well, my signature probably brought the value down on that. George's signature was worth $148 million. That's insane. Celebrate that man.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
If you're Natalie, are you thrilled or pissed? They also have nicknames. Yes, wait, this is, I looked up the other day, this is my favorite part of the George Foreman children roster.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I need to know the backstory of Big Wheel so badly. That sounds like a prime little kid nickname. That feels like another episode entirely. Oh, man. Big Wheel. Big Wheel. Big Wheel. If your circle of friends isn't handing out nicknames like Big Wheel, you need a new circle.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Being at this building reminds me of when I like sheepishly tried to bully you guys into letting me come to the taping of that. You had mentioned it and I was just like, so what are you guys doing later? Can Just worked my way into the crowd so I could go be a giant in a crowd full of short people.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
well like with this one and it's the most common one it's being jacked and appearing successful is the thing that they want to sell most men i did go through and look specifically at the ads i was served on tick tock the other day like what people were actually trying to sell me and it's a mix of really shitty t-shirts that have things like a dog with a beer can in its mouth or japanese anime characters on it which might be a personal thing
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Again, the center of the Venn diagram, that is you. There is also the push-up board, which offers you the ability to do push-ups from different angles and thus to hit different muscle groups. A lot of custom hats and mugs, which are big on that. And the two things I think I see most often for men that are being marketed are... competitive brands of like athleisure dress pants. Yeah.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Like different versions of like Lululemon, like Chino's, some version of that where it's like, my boyfriend used to buy, and a lot of times it's also women talking about men, which is the other thing we get served a lot. Interesting. Is it's women being like, my boyfriend had these and I hated it. And then he got these and now I loved it. Right.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Yes. Fellas love a moisture wick apparently because that's all our clothes are made. Like they make suits now. Tech fabrics. Oh man. Tech fabric suits.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I mean, if we're doing stroller, the answer is no. Like, what is a tactical stroller? Does it have a mounted turret on the back? It's camo, first of all. That's always what it is, is it's just, hey, we made a camo for you.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
But, hey, big boy, you think because you play a lot of Call of Duty, you're ready to fight in the military, so we'll give you some tactical gear to go with that misguided belief.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Ooh, honestly, it is a lot. There are a lot more boxer brands than you realize, too. It really is, like, it's putting tactical in front of it and then assuring you we will take care of your privates. Because the amount of, like, male trimmers that are on there. Wow. Oh, yeah. Too many to count.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Well, so that's the thing I was going to ask is because, Meena, you mentioned you've not bought anything on the TikTok shop.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Tactical neck hammock. I was going to say, if you put camo on it, you immediately become the core demographic. But we are sort of the perfect generation for this in some ways because, as evidenced by the George Foreman grill, this has been a part. I remember begging my mom, like, Mom, I am a maybe 12, 13-year-old boy not doing my own laundry at this point.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
But I'm like, Mom, we got to get OxyClean. Oh, my God. It's incredible. It was like all of those, like the slap tape. All of that stuff.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
They put it on a clear boat. Yes. And it stayed up. And it doesn't sink.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I had all of that stuff because I was a Mark then as a kid.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
And that's the part that it's like, oh, that's how little you think of us now. At least there, it felt like there was some effort. But with this now, like going all the way back to the Ashton Hall story, I don't know if he was paid by the water company or not, but I've seen their sales have gone crazy because everyone's buying it, even ironically, just to do videos to mock it.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
But with that, there was no sell to it. It was just the sell with all these people. And Mina, you talked about it with the dresses, the majority of influences. Look at how hot this person is. Look at how rich this person looks. And don't you want the thing that they're also using so that you will also appear rich, which is a concept that's pretty well worn.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
But in those infomercials, that wasn't it. It was, hey, I can keep a boat afloat with this weird ass tape. That's sick. Look what it can do.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I think also the- You provide bodyguard services. Also that added beef to the equation. Howie Roseman's world, people understand the value of having large bodies around. Yeah. You win parties in the trenches. I've often said that, but I think it's twofold. One, it's attitude. Like my sister was appalled when she heard that I did that.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Are we really just trapped by our own nostalgia though? Because Pablo, you mentioned the relentless nature of it and who among us does not remember being woken up after falling asleep on the couch in the middle of the night with the TV on by the sounds of one of the, now that's what I call music CDs that's being advertised or any of those.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
where it just immediately hits you, blasts you with this number, and you hear it over and over so often. I could, at that time, recite every song. It was like the riff-off in Pitch Perfect, where a lot of those songs now I only know in the context of how they flow into each other in that movie.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
You used to know those songs based on how they would flow into the next track on that album of 80s hits or whatever. Now that's what I call music version. And it was also equally relentless in a way that felt subliminal at the time.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
It's not the ads. It's the life around the ads that's changed. Yeah.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I brought a question about a very popular TV show that was posed in our group chat, which was White Lotus, the current season that's out of the hit HBO series that is now in season three where, you know, every year the show begins with a crime or a death and
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
that gives way to a story that usually takes place in some faraway land surrounding a bunch of people that come together from different lives and are tied to some hotel or resort. This season's in Thailand right now. And I think as the recording of this podcast, we are six episodes into this season. So spoiler alert for anybody that's not all the way caught up.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
But is this season of White Lotus actually good? No.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
And I don't think that's the wrong answer, but I guess my question is, why with shows like this, and I feel like a subsidiary of this has been season two of Severance in some ways, which is I feel like there's a lot of societal pressure to just nod and agree that shows made by certain networks.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
She's like, how were you ready to go in an hour for something like that? And the turnaround time and the willingness there, because I am an adult without children. Like I don't have responsibilities. I don't have a dog. I don't have kids at home. And so I can pick up and go. Sarah Spain, the reason I got to go and see the Ted Lasso season premiere was
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
It's a really good sci-fi show that people are trying to constantly convince me is the most well-thought-out prestige show of all time.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
And I think a lot of this also boils back to, like, fan culture around these shows because the Reddits that pop up, the internet theories that surround these shows, and the people that, in all walks of life, you know, the idea of being a ball-knower is this thing we lionize over everything else. And if you push back at all on this show, it's, well, it's a slow burn. You have to appreciate that.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
It's like... all right, you don't have to insult me like that. Not every slow burn is well-earned in the payoff that you get at the end. And with this, it does just feel like, hey, this is just the vacation porn this season. Not to use that last term too loosely, considering the other subplot of the show that's... Which is incest.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
one year was because sarah was out here in los angeles with her husband for that and they had an extra ticket that popped up and sarah literally said you're the only person i know without kids who could be ready in an hour on a tuesday night to come to brentwood and hang out with the cast there so being uh it's i mean it's kind of like sports the best ability is availability and i'm criminally available
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This whole season has felt like a series of just small, encapsulated, unrelated, that aren't paying off to something else. Like, I was reading, I think Time Magazine did, like, an article breaking down this season and was talking to experts, especially with the, again, the incest subplot. They were looking at some psychoanalysis there.
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But they brought up, like, Game of Thrones and how that had, but it was like, that gave way to a plot line that had that at the center. Right. went on to go and be incredibly impactful in the dynamic of that relationship was, you know, a little more germane at the times and also just a fantasy show. Like, it still wasn't great to see. It's not like we're promoting that by any means.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
It was still a very uncomfortable part of that show. But they also didn't make it the show's whole personality. Like, this whole season has felt like just kind of dancing around getting to that point. And the only person, now that Jennifer Coolidge is gone, which is the other reason I think this season suffered, is my guy Guy Talk. He's the only one I have to root for. Oh, God.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
But I... So I would... I hate him.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I like to think, too, that I can get along with a lot of groups. Clearly, yeah. If you just throw me into a group of people I haven't met, I'm not going to embarrass you in front of company.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Different tax bracket.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
and have at it, so I can identify with that. I just had this realization when you were talking about Mike White too. Is he the Mike McCarthy then of show creators? Where an immediate success has given way to an offense that basically demands that the players go out there and continue to make incredible plays while not really making a ton for them?
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I found out that we can actually put a price on a name, and for George Foreman's, it was $148 million.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
It is, truly. Touched. I don't know what part of that you thought would be, like, offensive to me. That is the ultimate compliment.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Like, I feel like... I'm fine not being the main character.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
You're not having main character syndrome.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Yeah. Again, not to make everything sports, but, like, I was an offensive lineman. Like, talk about wanting to not be the main character. That's my life. It also helps being friends with main characters who have cool tickets to some. Which, I mean, most of my cool experiences when I tell people about them in L.A., it's like, didn't Amina have a plus one to that? The Love is Blind finale?
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I figured that was an everyone thing, like just a rite of passage.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Yes. But on a slope. The angle was really the innovation, right? Like just that ability to knock out the fat into that tray in front, the tagline, all of it worked so well. And I mean, I don't know, as someone that grew up in a cold weather environment, being able to grill stuff in the wintertime inside the indoors, huge.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Are you at the point where you have readers?
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I was just going to ask if we knew the whereabouts of the blender.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
I didn't know that was an option. You can get your Sauron picture taken?
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
It really is. And so, I was just thinking about how each of them would have worked. Like, obviously, regardless of feelings about Hulk Hogan and what he represents, based on that time period and his stardom, Gryll probably still would have worked.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Pam Anderson and Chuck Norris are interesting to me because in looking and thinking back on this now, part of the George Foreman appeal in my mind is always the underlying thing in food conversations, which is I trust a big guy. George Foreman, big guy. cooking the food in there. I'm like, oh yeah, of course he knows what he's talking about in food.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
You can get a sonogram of your eyeball.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
Look at how much food he's probably eaten over the years. And so of course I trust a big guy more so like, you know, Pam Anderson, Chuck Norris. I know Chuck Norris had like the total gym, so maybe not a super far cry, but George just felt like the perfect symphony of background and enthusiasm for the product that we saw, all those things that came together and made it work.
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Share & Grill & Tell with Mike Golic Jr. and Mina Kimes
And this was in the 90s, right? This was in the 90s. $8 million a month in the 90s.