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Eliezer Yudkowsky

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Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Arthur assigns 90% probability to David's statement after hearing his explanation, but assigns a 10% probability to Ernie's statement.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

It might seem like these two scenarios are roughly symmetrical.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Both involve taking into account useful evidence, whether strong versus weak authority or strong versus weak argument.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

But now suppose that Arthur asks Barry and Charles to make full technical cases with references and that Barry and Charles present equally good cases and Arthur looks up the references and they check out.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Then Arthur asks David and Ernie for their credentials and it turns out that David and Ernie have roughly the same credentials.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Maybe they're both clowns or maybe they're both physicists.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Assuming that Arthur is knowledgeable enough to understand all the technical arguments, otherwise they're just impressive noises, it seems that Arthur should view David as having a great advantage in plausibility over Ernie, while Barry has at best a minor advantage over Charles.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Indeed, if the technical arguments are good enough, Barry's advantage over Charles may not be worth tracking.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

A good technical argument is one that eliminates reliance on the personal authority of the speaker.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Similarly, if we really believe Ernie that the argument he gave is the best argument he could give, which includes all the inferential steps that Ernie executed and all of the support that Ernie took into account, citing any authorities that Ernie may have listened to himself, then we can pretty much ignore any information about Ernie's credentials.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Ernie can be a physicist or a clown.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

It shouldn't matter.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Again, this assumes we have enough technical ability to process the argument.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Otherwise, Ernie is simply uttering mystical syllables, and whether we believe these syllables depends a great deal on his authority.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

So, it seems there's an asymmetry between argument and authority.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

If we know authority, we are still interested in hearing the arguments, but if we know the arguments fully, we have very little left to learn from authority.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Clearly, says the novice, authority and argument are fundamentally different kinds of evidence, a difference unaccountable in the boringly clean methods of Bayesian probability theory.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

For while the strength of the evidences, 90% versus 10%, is just the same in both cases, they do not behave similarly when combined.

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

How, oh how, will we account for this?

Rationality: From AI to Zombies
Argument Screens Off Authority

Well, here's half a technical demonstration of how to represent this difference in probability theory.