Elizabeth Byrne

And Sky Jerome cross-examined him and asked him if he'd once been jailed for burglary.

And he said, I didn't do that.

I just took the rap.

And then he said he'd been building the kitchen.

So he said, I can't even remember making a secret cupboard.

I just put the kitchen in.

I didn't tell anyone anything about the kitchen.

Now, the police cleared him.

a long long time like you know 26 years ago um several of his friends uh were on that list as well of course the police cleared them as well a very long time ago so um you know we're not suggesting he was involved in any way but this was one of the possibilities that was uh examined at the outset

Yes, that's correct.

And the family were not a fan of this.

And they were concerned about it.

Elizabeth, who was one of Irma's daughters, said to the court that with the secret compartment, she said they'd felt that they had to give them something, otherwise they'd be stashing it all over the house.

And she said Irma just liked to have cash and to pay for things in cash.

And, you know...

Obviously, her background must have weighed into that a bit because having been robbed of such a large amount of money in 1997, she was still collecting it at home in 1999 when

when the burglary where she was killed happened.

We were supposed to start like on February the 2nd or something.

And then there was a whole week with nothing.

And I was very worried about this podcast.