Elizabeth Evitz Dickinson

It wasn't just for college students, but there were a lot of college students there.

She had a safe place to live and come home to every night.

And it's interesting because when I read originally about Robert Turk, I thought he was decades older than Claire because the way that magazine articles and newspaper articles at the time discuss a young man as being already fully formed and made.

And I was shocked to learn they were like a few years older.

apart in age.

Turk was this young man who was very entrepreneurial, started his own line.

And what Turk was doing was he was copying Paris like every other designer.

In the United States, everyone copied Paris.

And then you would go back out and you would quickly sketch it.

And then the buyers and the department store owners would take it and copy it.

She did not love the copying.

She didn't like the stealing.

It made her deeply uncomfortable.

And what that meant was the manufacturers would send their young designers into the department stores to steal the licensed Parisian designs.

She was spying, basically.

And she didn't want to do it.

She was, like, not happy.

And so she left, and she went and sat on a bench, and she just...

made up her own drawings and slid them into the stack.

Where he differed from everyone else is he took her seriously and he trained her and he showed her the ropes.