Elizabeth Jo

I think the technical term is entrenchment or something like that.

And these happen in our history where we have this anxiety.

Should we make it a lot easier or should we make it impossible?

I wonder what your thoughts are on that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But what's remarkable then, of course, are the Reconstruction Amendments.

They happen all at once, seemingly, historically, right?

They happen very quickly.

And that seems like a real turning point, right?

And maybe you could help us understand, like, why do moments like that happen in the Article V story?

That's a big success, right?

It makes passing amendments easier.

But for you also, there's the real turning point, I guess, historically in your story is 1971.

Effectively, you say Article 5 is dead and arrival in 1971.

And in fact, if you go back to law review articles going stretching the past 50 years or so, you find titles like the frozen Article 5, the comatose Article 5, you know, all of these crazy metaphors.

So what was what's wrong?

What happened in 1971?

And modesty, actually.

Right.

I mean, it's the premise is, you know, we're not doing very much, although it can be quite radical.