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Elizabeth Jo

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99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

whether the marriage occurred within the state or without the state was often up to question and left up to individual states.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So some states, if you recall these before times, some states recognize same-sex marriage, but other states didn't.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And in fact, they went further and either passed laws or changed even their state constitutions to say that marriage was only between a man and a woman within that state.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

But of course, at the same time, there was a growing movement for marriage equality to recognize that same-sex couples had rights to marriage.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So what if you were a part of a same-sex couple, lawfully married in one state, but then moved to a state where same-sex marriage was not legal, right?

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So prior to 2015, the answer wasn't really clear at all, because on the one hand, it's actually not clear that it's answered by the full faith and credit clause for complicated reasons.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

But let me just put it this way.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

On the one hand, a marriage isn't really a judgment.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

That's the language of the clause itself.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

A marriage is really a civil contract between two people, right?

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

The court doesn't judge that you're married.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

No court does that.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And then second, courts allowed what's called a public policy exception to the full faith and credit clause.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So even if we agreed that a marriage was a judgment, which is a question, it really could be the case that a state court would say, well, it's against the public policy of our state to recognize same-sex marriage.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And then the court might decline to do so.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And in 1996, Congress went even further and passed what was called the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

I don't know if you remember that.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Yeah.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And then one of the significant things that DOMA did was to allow states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages, even if these marriages were finalized in states where that marriage was actually illegal.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Well, because of the full faith and credit clause, because the clause itself doesn't just say states have to respect each other's judgments.