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Elizabeth Jo

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99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So what if you were a part of a same-sex couple, lawfully married in one state, but then moved to a state where same-sex marriage was not legal, right?

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So prior to 2015, the answer wasn't really clear at all, because on the one hand, it's actually not clear that it's answered by the full faith and credit clause for complicated reasons.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

But let me just put it this way.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

On the one hand, a marriage isn't really a judgment.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

That's the language of the clause itself.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

A marriage is really a civil contract between two people, right?

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

The court doesn't judge that you're married.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

No court does that.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And then second, courts allowed what's called a public policy exception to the full faith and credit clause.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So even if we agreed that a marriage was a judgment, which is a question, it really could be the case that a state court would say, well, it's against the public policy of our state to recognize same-sex marriage.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And then the court might decline to do so.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And in 1996, Congress went even further and passed what was called the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

I don't know if you remember that.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Yeah.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

And then one of the significant things that DOMA did was to allow states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages, even if these marriages were finalized in states where that marriage was actually illegal.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Well, because of the full faith and credit clause, because the clause itself doesn't just say states have to respect each other's judgments.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

It happens to give Congress a source of lawmaking power.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

It's called the effects clause.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

Right.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #7: California AG Rob Bonta

So the full faith and credit clause allows Congress to prescribe the manner in which such acts, recordings and proceedings shall be proved and the effect thereof.