Elizabeth Jo

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2,299 appearances 6 recordings 1 series first heard Jun 2025 last heard 27 Mar

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99% Invisible · Constitution Breakdown #1: Nikole Hannah-Jones · 25 Jul 2025 podcast

So Nicole, I I have to ask you then today, how optimistic are you uh about the use of courts, maybe not the Supreme Court, the use of courts to try and enforce norms of equality and justice and kind of

maintaining that progress that we've seen since the civil rights era based on everything you've been writing and speaking about.

a teacher.

I know that struggle.

It's not

Right.

Sure, it's not terribly so something can be not surprising and yet absolutely terrifying at the same time, right?

I mean of course the whole constitutional system that we're in is essentially an honor code.

It's an honor code where we all agree.

That there are certain set of rules and we are gonna abide by them not because somebody's gonna do something to punish us.

I'm talking about the highest actors in government, but because we all agree that this is the system we're in.

Now that we have an administration that doesn't agree with the honor code, you know, the basic premise of a lot of legal principles for government actors is like good faith.

Or, you know, doing what's in the best interests of the government, whether it's domestic policy or foreign policy, when you don't have that underlying system in place, then it kind of feels like anything goes.

And that is truly, truly terrifying.

So, no, I'm not surprised necessarily, because we've been watching this very

slow erosion over several years and this year, and I think you've pointed this out in your writing, um, everything seems to have eroded at a much faster rate.

Yeah.

Sort of we we've sort of gone at hyperspeed.

And and that's the thing that's most alarming.

And I think yeah, I think and one of the things that's hard, I think, for most people to wrap their minds around is the what's happening now, this collapse, right, of our norms and our expectations of good faith in in government is like it's not like, oh, they'll be the next administration, then we'll figure it out.

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