Elizabeth Phillips

And, uh, this was before the story really broke, and he was like, it's gonna come out that Pete Newman was abusing boys, but it was really just boys being boys, typical middle school masturbation and experimentation.

Like, minimized it, downplayed it, with my brother Trey right there.

Basically saying, here's the story and you're sticking to it.

It wasn't a big deal.

Yeah, because he was on a list.

Pete Newman provided a list of victims.

This was, uh, so, the exact chronology is, like, March 2009, he, uh, confesses to Kanakuk leadership that he's been abusing boys.

2009.

March 2009.

And he'd been caught multiple times before.

Skinny dipping, riding four-wheelers nude with boys.

I know.

They caught him in 1999, in 2001, in 2003, in 2006.

So, Jeff White... Joe White, yeah.

Yeah, and it gets reported back to the camp.

Like, they knew this stuff was happening.

They're like, oh, that's just boys being boys.

And, well, I can show you what they did to discipline him.

I have the record here.

But basically... See it.