Elizabeth Phillips

what's going on and Trey's like, tell her about Kanakuk.

So like, I would tell about Kanakuk.

You don't want to talk about it.

And she's like, your symptoms are a lot like victims I've seen who survived satanic ritualistic abuse or like this MKUltra stuff.

And that's where I'm like, you know, I'm just sitting there as a supportive sister, but I'm also listening

And I go buy every book I can on MKUltra and like all this stuff.

I thought it was a conspiracy theory.

And then I come back to, we moved back to Dallas eventually.

And I got to really lean into helping my brother.

So that lady was in North Carolina.

Moved back to Dallas, find other therapists, same thing.

They're like, sometimes he's 15, sometimes he's seven, sometimes he's 30-something.

And I'm like, what did Kanakuk do to you?

It's like, what did they do to you?

So it wasn't just like one therapist who was like crazy.

It was like everywhere he went,

When I was included, I got to see, I got a front row seat to his suffering.

And I learned a lot about how these networks work.

It's never just one perpetrator, it's never just one victim.

The ritualistic abuse going on in the name of Jesus, like... This guy who was abusing these kids was also baptizing them.