Elizabeth Stone

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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth · Why Netflix is betting on systems thinkers—not specialists—in the AI era | Elizabeth Stone (CPTO) · 19 Jul 2026 podcast

to plan or to make people decisions or to make prioritization decisions that actually get us to better outcomes.

And so it's a resistance to do the thing that a lot of bigger companies would do and to feel comfortable in that discomfort very often.

So that's something I feel in my role.

And I would believe a lot of people at Netflix feel it because you try not to do the thing that is standard.

No, I think the best people want to know there's going to be a blameless retro.

And they're going to feel so individually responsible that they're going to say, how do I make sure this doesn't happen again?

Not with process, but with like, how could I share these learnings?

How could I do work differently to make sure that I get to a better outcome next time?

When you are trusting people to take those reflections seriously.

and learn and grow I think you get much better outcomes over time and you get a much stronger team which I think is part of our role as leaders of like you're you're trying to grow a team that is resilient and durable and knows how to have great impact you're not trying to control everything

It's often cited in a way where you think of keeper's test as that moment where you decide to let someone go, that they're not the right fit for the role and the conversation about that.

But it's equally commonly used to have a conversation about how extraordinary someone is, how well they're doing in a role.

Because the entry point is for me to say to one of my direct reports or for them to say to me, how am I doing on your keeper test?

And the lion's share of the time, my response is, I would fight so hard to keep you.

Let me go through a set of things that I think you're doing such a great job at, what your strengths are, where you're having a lot of impact.

Here's how you could be even better.

So it's an entry into a conversation that is very positive and uplifting for people.

But the framing is, do I pass the keeper test?

And then, of course, there's the harder situations where I'm evaluating, does someone pass the keeper test or they're asking me?

And this is the toughest thing to say.

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