Ella Al-Shamahi

So when we interbreed with those people, it's effectively like a cheat.

So suddenly we end up with immunities to things that would have taken us ourselves tens if not hundreds of thousands of years to evolve for.

There are some really, really good examples, actually.

And the best one is the Tibetan example.

Are you familiar with this one?

So Tibetans live at obviously very high altitude.

And the genetic mechanism by which they are able to exist at high altitude is very different from the genetic mechanism that exists in other populations who exist at high altitude.

And

The mutation is actually one that they inherited off Denisovans.

I would say

I was so traumatized by it and still am.

Within a second, I could get quite upset about it.

And I think when you've been through that, you are much more patient with people who deny the science, don't trust the science.

Because I understand that when I am trying to persuade somebody of a scientific point,

Nine times out of 10, I'm not trying to persuade them of one scientific point.

I'm effectively taking apart their worldview.

And because I've gone through that, I approach that with empathy by and large.

Doesn't mean that every so often I don't get irritated, but I just fundamentally at my core understand that when somebody has that belief, it's not one belief, it's a belief system.

And I then approach it as such.

So then what's...