Ellie Roscher

Yeah.

So we heard that.

But one of my favorite moments of all of the interviews is this transgender woman talking about choosing to do a medical transition later in life.

And when she went back out to play tennis after healing from some of her gender affirming surgery, she said it was unbelievable for the first time in her life.

The white noise had fallen.

And she just got to play as her.

I'm thinking about this transgender woman who decided to do gender affirming hormone treatment.

So she had to stop competing for a while, check her hormone levels before she entered races.

She slowed down a lot.

Like the transition slowed her running times down a lot.

She talked about running her first half marathon in the female category and her times were so much slower and she didn't

because the alignment of like being able to run as her authentic self like that was the whole

Yeah.

So that was beautiful, too, is like anytime I wanted to try to put transgender athletes in a box, they would break me back open.

Scientists are like this two box system.

It's simple for tests, but it's not accurate.

You don't get good data if you say there are two distinct sexes.

Sex is way more interesting than that.

They talk about a bimodal system that has two camel humps and the top of the humps are how we kind of think about men and women.

But