Ellie Roscher

Right?

And so we think it's protecting girls and women, but it's really creating this culture in women's sports where the girls are just not going to do it.

Of course.

And that's too bad.

Because I'm guessing you... I'm hoping you had a good experience in volleyball.

I had a great experience.

And I think one of the reasons that I am...

an embodied adult and that I have a sense of agency that my body is my own is because I got to play sports.

I have had the most fulfilling conversations with people who are curious.

And I'll tell you, in writing this book, I'm getting emotional.

Writing this book, people in my life were like, what's going on with you?

You are so free.

One of the things that happened in interviewing trans athletes is that they invited me without words, just in their very being, in their very embodiment, in their very joy.

They invited me to take a look at my cisness.

and to claim my cis identity, to come out as cis, to have an active cis identity and really think about what that means.

That was kind of a dormant part of my identity.

You know, so you talk about straight people not having to come out as straight and what a loss that is.

And how some straight people just kind of do the thing that they think they're supposed to do without choosing it.

100%.

So we're all walking around like zombies.