Elliot Williams

You can still have a robust immigration enforcement policy without the civil rights enforcement and

3,000 people a day and a million people a day, because necessarily, when you have those kinds of numbers with the kind of personnel that the agency has right now, you're going to end up with the civil rights violations and nanny from the bodega and the guy who's, whether it's, whatever, I don't want to generalize about who immigrants are, but those are the folks who are getting rounded up.

Like, let's have an honest conversation about the brown folks at Home Depot who are getting rounded up, right, who aren't necessarily, you know, with criminal records.

And so...

That budget, they plussed up that budget to be able to do that, which does not need to happen.

And if it's all about safety and national security and the folks who are killing our livestock or people...

Who's we're next.

I mean that.

Um, yeah, no, it's, yeah, I think, you know, there's a few things there.

I think, yes.

If, uh, it's just a question of, you know, when I'm asked the question, do you think we should abolish ice?

The question,

my response is, okay, well, but then what would you replace it with, right?

And the answer can't be nothing.

I think both as a policy and practical matter, but also as a political matter, you know, for it's probably Democrats coming with the argument.

You have to have some answer as to what's next.

Now, there might be a really smart answer to be had,

Um, of just reframing our whole thinking about immigration and our whole immigration apparatus.

Um, so, but not unlike the whole concept of defunding the police, the term means the worst name.

It's the worst name.