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Elroy Dimson

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

William Green There are still plenty of institutional investors in the US who would be talking about 5%.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

I think to get to numbers like that, you've got to be claiming that you can not only get the equity premium, but you can identify clever managers who will outperform the pack.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

That's hard.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

I would take the view that over a 10-year period, a plausible real return from bonds might be 2%.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

And so if that risk premium is relative to bonds, the equity bond premium of 3% would give rise to 5% return above inflation.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

But it will leave you a lot happier than if you'd been asking the same question four years ago when the long-term return on bonds would have been zero in real terms or less.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

Moved not all the way back to long-term history, but the sort of numbers that people could plausibly use now are not quite as discomforting as they were.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

This is to

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

actually the heart of what financial advisors who you're working with think about.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

And I think there's another way of considering what individual savers ought to be doing.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

So the traditional way would be to look at how much wealth there is and say, well, this is what you can afford to be spending over years into the future.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

There is another way, which is to say, hypothetically, at least, you could

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

take out a contract which would cover all of your needs from 800 to 101.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

And let's assume that you don't expect to live beyond that.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

But that's something which you could price.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

It's an annuity.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

You could also work out how much would be needed to help you live from 99 to 100 or 98 to 99.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

Bill Sharp calls this a lockbox.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

It's working back from the end of your life as to how much you need.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 408: Elroy Dimson โ€“ Investing & Optimism

rather than starting where you are now and having a plan which will take you forward.