Emily Bazelon

I'd see more room for the path that you're talking about.

And maybe they will begin more and more to apply.

Right.

I mean, Trump has has had this kind of magnetic hold over his party because his supporters are so devoted and they're such an important percentage of Republican voters.

But maybe we will start to see those dynamics shift.

And look, you know, the other alternative is that the Republicans lose the midterms.

The Democrats take at least a house, if not the Senate.

And then that will absolutely shift the dynamic.

I agree that that is like the main drama of the State of the Union.

I think in terms of the theater of the event, there's also a sort of side question.

Are the Supreme Court justices going to show up?

Usually most of them do.

They sit really close to where the president is standing.

They're there in their robes representing their branch.

You know, presumably they are going to show up because they still think that's part of their role.

And I think it's going to be really hard for President Trump to resist the temptation to go after them.

And, you know, maybe that will just be like a moment of spicy performance and it won't matter a whole lot.

But it also could sort of put, you know, even more of a point on this relationship.

Real difference in how the justices see their jobs versus the president.

I mean, the president went after the conservatives who were in the majority on the tariffs case for being a disgrace to their families, disloyal to the Constitution.