Emily Kwong

Okay, this is fascinating that this new conference has emerged.

Yeah.

I got to ask though, why not just bring this to COP?

I mean, COP is the place where the world...

came together around the Paris Agreement, around 190 countries agreed to try to limit warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius.

So why can't countries just stick to that?

Yeah.

OK, so how does the Santa Marta conference intend to be different?

Yeah.

I mean, it sounds like these would be concrete measures to help countries actually deliver on the goals of the Paris Agreement.

OK, good to know.

So back to this conference.

Did Andres and everyone get to announce what they wanted to say at COP given the fire?

I'm guessing you will be there in Santa Marta in April to cover it.

You know it.

Julia, thank you so much for coming on Shortwave.

Thank you, Emily.

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