Emily Kwong

You can always walk away.

This absolutely reminds me of Jeannie and Richard.

They are not trying to change each other's minds.

They're trying to create space for each other to talk about

what they feel, and they're ultimately putting the good of their relationship first.

Okay, so arguing to learn helps us keep an open mind about the topic at hand.

But you mentioned earlier, Rachel, how we're often making judgments about other people, not just their opinions.

So how do you navigate those feelings that can kind of obscure your ability to fully listen to someone?

I think this is why things devolve on social media so much, because people are not asking questions of each other.

They're just like leaving these pronouncements in the comments, you know.

Yeah.

Humility seems like an important way forward.

Rachel Carlson, thank you for giving us a toolkit for moving forward in these divisive times.

Of course.

Thanks for having me, Emily.

This episode was reported by Rachel Carlson, and it was produced by Hannah Chin.

It was edited by our showrunner, Rebecca Ramirez.

Tyler Jones and Rachel checked the facts.

I'm Emily Kwong.

And I'm Rachel Carlson.