Emily Maitlis

I don't know.

I think we are sort of being really pushed into having a whole debate now about asylums.

Look, as I said, this is a globalised movement, right?

I mean, we can kid ourselves that these are sort of insurgent parties sort of coming from grassroots bases.

They're not.

This is astroturf.

In other words, you know, this is the creation of a grassroots.

It's meant to look like a grassroots.

It's meant to have its sort of heart in communities.

It doesn't.

It's a global movement which links up some of the world's

billionaires most powerful ideologues and most powerful voices into what is essentially a global movement now which is trying to you know fundamentally push democracies out and take us to a much more hard line and possibly in many cases authoritarian place well emily thank you so much for your time thanks for having me ruby

The most withering, excoriating resignation letter that you can imagine.

That is a laser-guided missile that he has fired straight at Downing Street and it's hit its target.

John Healey has no ambitions to be the Prime Minister.

He wanted to put the British Armed Forces on a solid footing with European Armed Forces.

So when someone like him goes, you just think, oh my God, it must be rotten at the core.

This day might be seen as the moment where it all collapsed on Keir Starmer.

This has come out of the blue.

The resignation of the Defence Secretary, John Healey, and the most withering, excoriating resignation letter that you can imagine.