Emily Simpson

And he was talking about how he was doing well.

And I think my interpretation was that he was making a lot of money.

Then he said after his son committed this murder and then was put in prison, that nothing meant anything to him anymore.

He said he got rid of all of his possessions, even real estate.

I remember that.

Like he didn't even try to make money.

He just gave everything away.

Yeah, I guess at that point, there is no meaning to anything anymore.

I mean, money doesn't mean anything.

Having a nice lifestyle doesn't mean anything.

Yeah, and so he gave everything away.

I could tell just by the way he looked and the way he talked that he, for the past 20 years, had been suffering, probably suffering more than his son in prison.

There really are.

Mm-hmm.

I don't know.

That's a good question because what you're saying is he was adopted by this nice LDS family.

It's a very religious family.

Right.

The question is, if it was a different family, would the exact same thing have happened?

Which means it's not nurture, it's nature.