Emily Vernem

Both of them, both of them.

So they were talking regardless of – let's pretend Joe Rogan said this.

It's just the two of them.

He can be there.

He's there, like us.

Matt was talking about how releasing a movie on streaming services like Netflix is very different to releasing movies in cinemas now and it's all about attention.

He was saying that there are some behind-the-scenes conversations that happen with streaming services where they're asked to do a big act in the beginning of a movie to capture people's attention straightaway where usually they'll do it a bit later in the movie.

And they've also been asked to include in the dialogue scenes

talk about the plot points within the dialogue three to four times throughout the whole movie to account for people who look at their phones while they're watching.

Exactly.

So what I'm assuming happens is like I haven't watched The Rip, don't know anything about it, but I'm assuming it's like Matt and Ben and Ben's like, Matt, we have to go save my family.

And then like there's 20 minutes.

And then Matt's like, don't forget, Ben, we have to save your family.

And then that happens another three or four times.

Because we'll be on our phone if he's crying and then we're like, wait, he's crying?

And to that I say make movies more interesting.

Ben gave the example of Adolescence on Netflix as well that doesn't do that.

But is that like your problem or is it the people who are making the movies problem?

Because I say I shouldn't feel like I need to touch my phone.

Like when I watch Sinners, for example, I forgot my phone even existed.