Emily Vernem
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And to that I say make movies more interesting.
Ben gave the example of Adolescence on Netflix as well that doesn't do that.
But is that like your problem or is it the people who are making the movies problem?
Because I say I shouldn't feel like I need to touch my phone.
Like when I watch Sinners, for example, I forgot my phone even existed.
is freeing because you have a holiday from putting yourself in the story that's what you said right yeah I feel like when we watch like romance movies or tv shows and it's a man and a woman you automatically insert yourself in the woman's shoes and you firstly nitpick her you're like oh she's such a pick me she wouldn't do this why is she doing this why is she wearing why is she wearing that and then you put yourself in her shoes in another way by going
oh, she shouldn't accept that for him.
Why is she sending him nudes?
And then when I watched Heated Rivalry, I didn't feel any of that because myself couldn't be in that physically.
So I was just sitting back and going, this is just such a nice show.
But also when we're looking at romance novels and movies about men and women, I think the author and the film creator automatically want you to relate to the woman because that's who they're marketing towards.
And then they're trying to make the guy in it to be the most appealing guy ever.
Like when we talked about Emily Henry and her books,
Like she uses the most like best man that you could ever dream of because like you want that character to get with him.
Yes, and because there's still two of them and they're both the main characters, the woman is always a bit more of the main character because
Whereas in Heated Rivalry you're still appealing to women but you have two men so you're allowing them to both be main characters in their own right so you're able to follow both of their storylines as independent people while they're also together.
It's a business but it's also family.
What if I one day leave Mamma Mia and I bring my mum in?