Eric Jorgensen

And that's OK.

And you just keep going anyway.

Very.

I mean, I think what's interesting is he's I think he describes himself himself as hardcore.

Right.

And you talk about this in the book.

This is more elegant.

But I think some of the quotes that he has, I just love.

Like, the amount I torture myself is next level.

You need to have some kind of rage demon in your skull that drives you.

Or I am wired for war.

I mean, they just make you want to just pound your chest and type your spreadsheet, as I do.

Yeah.

But what do you think are the craziest stories of Elon going into hardcore mode?

So fascinated.

Yeah, I think in this day and age, there's so much talk about hustle porn and working too hard and work-life balance.

And it's fascinating to me that the other end of the spectrum exists too.

I'm friends with a bunch of guys that were on his Doge team.

And I remember them getting excited because they were getting shipped eight sleep mattresses to sleep on the ground in DC during this.

And these were guys who had made millions of dollars in private equity or tech.