Eric Stackpole

And what should people do?

Well, my biggest thing I'd urge is to not wait for permission.

I especially give this advice to young people who are still in school, but I think it applies to everyone.

I think we're, in our society, kind of trained to wait until you have a school assignment or your boss gives you the job, you know, the task that you want to do something you're interested in.

But at least what has worked really well for me has been if there's something that is calling you, just try it.

Even if the first...

prototype of a thing is going to be cardboard and duct tape and it's not going to work the second you start actually trying to do the thing as opposed to just researching it it'll change your perspective you'll learn very quickly how to how to do it better you'll fail your way to success you know just don't wait don't wait for permission that's that's what i would suggest try try something out horribly and if you continue to be interested in it you'll eventually make it successful

Fail your way to success.

I love it.

This has been a real pleasure.

And thank you very much as well.

Absolutely.